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Here's one of the greatest keys in how Mike and I...
run defensive schemes.
At least, one of your safeties are always in open space. Some teams run deep zone coverages where the safeties are 30 yards off the line coming forward. My defensive schemes are more aggressive with the safety playing 8 yards off the line and the other more in a roverback position keying on the tightend. The middle is never left open in the D-Line unless I am baiting the coach to run a sneak. Sometimes you rather have a sneak happen on you instead of getting on the edge. That's where more damage can be done because you have less congestion. But if you have a safety in open space at the start of the play, it at least lessen the likelihood of a team running a toss or sweep to that side of the field. And like Raven Maniac said, there are still a lot of running lanes and passing lanes to do major damage in this style of play. You've just got to be able to execute when the time comes. Reg |
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Great Insight From The Dfw Coaches
can you guy's touch upon the ins and outs of the stationary qb. Why do you put him at various points
Also, how do you run a draw play in this style. Can a draw be treated somewhat like the qb scrambe ? two per half. RB ON A STATIONARY WHILE THE OTHERS RUN A FAKE SWEEP. HOLE OPENS IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU PUT THE RB ON A MOVEABLE BASE TO HIT THE HOLE RATHER LATE. What else is possible that we wont grasp from the rule book. MIKE AND REG, WHAT PLAY'S HAVE FAKED YOU OUT OVER THE YEARS ? WHY CAN'T HUDSON'S PASSING GAME BE STOPPED ? MANTARAYDRE
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Dre? Great questions my friend!
The stationary QB is weapon himself. If you have the stationary QB in the shotgun and you have 5 WR in the game it looks as if you are going to stick it up in the air for a pass. However, after the play clock runs out you may switch in your mobile QB and run a QB sneak or draw up the middle. This does not count as an audible if you place him in the exact same place where your stationary QB was located and facing the same direction. Therefore, spreading the defense with 5 wide receivers gives you a huge advantage running the QB and this does not count as a scramble. Scramble occur when a play has started and the QB is on a stationary base. If he starts out mobile you may not call scramble because he is already scrambling.
The Running back draw play is really sweet! I ran this a couple of time against Stephenson in the super bowl and it went for big yards. The draw is effective but the defense has to give you the right look. Some teams run a 3-4 defense others run a 4-3 or a 2 stack. The draw play is most effective versus the 2 stack defense. Against the 2 stack defense you should start off in the eye formation causing the defense to stuff the middle or start start off in the pro-set with your backs flaring to the outside. If he is playing honest, when its time to audible you will notice the offensive tackles are uncovered. Audible both backs at least 2 yards behind each tackle. The defense can only audible one player. Now you can call a draw to the back lined up behind the uncovered tackle. As for what has faked me out? Hmmm. I'm not beyond getting tricked a time or two but I am so accustomed to the rules that it takes a lot. However, I will tell you what has been most effective against me. When you line up in EFL you always know where 9 of the 11 offensive players are. The two most dangerous players on the field are the 2 RB's in the backfield that get a free shot down the field. They are very dangerous in our league. Weather its a screen play, a throw to the flats, a dive up the middle, a play action pass, whatever. They have proven to be the most dangerous and most effective players on the field. In the era of who is the strongest, the player that gets a free run without being engaged is the most effective player on the field most of the time. If you don't believe me, check your stat sheets! Lol As for Hudson? Why can't his passing game be stopped. That's simple! He is pinpoint accurate! The guy can hit a fly sitting on your sandwich. He is that good. He practices hours at a time. However, just like tom Brady and Peyton Manning, there is a formula to beating him. Attacking defense and a good running game will give him fits. If you keep the ball out of his hands how can he score? The more possessions that he gets though the more dangeroous he is. It is imperative that you reduce the amount of his possessions. Unless you can match him score for score the game will get real ugly real fast against Hudson. Mike Robertson |
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Strategies that faked me out
I think the most complex minds that I have played in this style has been Michael Robertson and Oscar Woodard. Oscar, because he studies what you are doing to him and come back with very interesting adjustments.
He has this one runner, Eddie George where he starts him out of a Power I way deep in the backfield but allow another player to hit him in a specific spot to create a sweep-type play. Sometimes over the years, that was a problem. As far as Mike, it is his trap play. He will not tell me all the secrets of it. I sometimes defend it well and other times, it's difficult to see where the block is coming from until his runner is 15 yards up the field and I am asking him to shake the box. I think my bread and butter offense (especially on 308s) allow me to do wide splits and run screens, draws, and the hurry-up offense. The "Hurry-Up Offense" is something I practice alot and to pull it out on the other team when they least expect it can be devastating. But you definitely have to have the athletes to take it the distance when you use this wide split manuever and snap the ball in less than 15 seconds. As far as Hudson, we recognize Hudson as the greatest passer in DFW history but he will tell you like anyone else in this league, he can lose too. He's had his share of losses as we all have. The differences in his passing is not too different from any of the champions. They all hit the difficult passes when it is championship play. You have to have the right type of athletes as far as CBs, outside LBs, and safeties to contain what this man does. It is lethal but Mike and I play very similar schemes which are built around certain keys. But yes, if you have never played Don and not know his legendary passing ability, it could get ugly real quick. He's one of those you love to play because he will test your ability as a defensive coordinator. Reg |
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Dre
I am not sure if the DFW has the hut call, were you say hut and the def has 10 sec to react to your off. but hte play you have set is the play you run. but it can be a pass or run. MIKE OR REG CORRECT me if i am wrong. we do it in the LAEFL.
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Coach Barry showed me this last night........
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Broncoman you are correct...
This is the EFL version of the no huddle or hurry up offense. Reg runs this to perfection and I hate it! He gets me every single time with this. He will beat you up, even sacrifice a play or two with a sweep left, or a quick screen off the wide splits (spread offense). Suddenly after 3 or 4 plays when you think you've got the wide splits figured out he hits you with the hurry up offense and he is in a 5 wide receiver set. You don't realize it until its to late because he just said "set" and now you're rushing your nickel and dime coverage onto the field with only 10 seconds left to line up. He hits you with a quick snap and receivers are open all over the place! Reg is the master at this. I hate it! Lol. I'm still trying to master this myself but I am definetly not as good as Reg at setting the defense up for this.
I can help you with this a bit but if you really want to learn how to run the no huddle offense Reg is the man. He could probably help you build your team around the "no huddle" offense and you could run that each and every play confusing the defense. Its a lot easier to run the trap and the screen off of this. So much stuff opens up off of this because a fast set up time allows the defense to make mistakes. Last edited by Hook'em Horns : 04-26-2008 at 01:47 AM. |
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The Options and Things You Can Do are Limitless
When you began to play in this system, you quickly realize the simplicity of the game but the complexity of strategies that can be used. I always believe that you can tell if a person is being fulfilled by the challenge of gaining knowledge through strategical interface based on whether he would be willing to travel great distances to play a game. Thus, we are very fortunate and honored to have you guys willing to come to Texas to discover things about the game that these rules bring you. You either want that challenge, thrive on competition, or think it will be easy. Whatever the case may be, it will entertain you and you will be going back home yearning for a return trip. Ask Kevin Boddie or Joel Pritchard! These guys had such a great time discovering things and had great attitudes about wanting to learn that it made it so easy offering any knowledge we could. And what was great is they shared knowledge and strategies with us.
This is one of those styles of play that you are rewarded based on your ability to think strategically in a quick manner, have the skill to pass and kick with great precision and accuracy, and your ability to assess talent and put that talent in a spot to be successful. One aspect of what is so important is to know that the initial formation can be deceptively "false". Like Mike and Barry said about disguising what's ready to happen, when you have the 35 second clock putting pressure on you to make a quick decision, it can either be heroic or devastating. Shown below is a a phase of what the simplicity of a play formation looks like under my scheme. Remember, I am the only one that run wide split formations 70-90% of the time. I believe it is the easiest way to matriculate down the field and put pressure on the defense. You see the initial formation for both the offense and defense. Then you see the audible of the backs and the defensive team may move a safety to plug one of the holes or the backer over to that spot. Unfortunately for him, he only has the 1 move. Then you see a ground-level view of the width of the holes. What's important is you have no idea how the linemen are going. I may be letting the tackles kicking out on the LBs or they may be sealing the DTs to create a little seam. The important thing here is take what they give you so obviously, with the D bringing the safety up on the right side, I would be trying to make something happen off the left tackle and left guard reads, whether it is a pass or run. Simple solution: Always go where they are NOT! Last edited by Reginald Rutledge : 04-26-2008 at 08:45 AM. |
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Great Insight, Pics, Thoughts Etc Etc
Coaches,
this is excellent stuff to know. reg, it looks like that cowboy d-line can shoot the gaps on that jet o-line. Any thoughts on perfecting the sweep and swing pass out of the backfield. if the entire country knew the way the dfw coaches played, we would have 100,000 members. Just reading this one post enable's you to see this is some real football. I hope mike and reg keep going with their wisdom. Im sure barry will be on this post shortly. where is RD, tell him to get on here with it's insight. HOW CAN I RUN A LEGAL 1) WR REVERSE OR RUNNING BACK RECEIVER REVERSE 2) CAN YOU PUT A RECEIVER IN MOTION AND HOW ? YOU CANT MOVE A RECEIVER DURING AN AUDIBLE 3) HALF BACK PASS, CAN THIS BE DONE. PLEASE TOUCH APON HITTING A RUNNING BACK OUT OF THE BACKFIELD. HOW CAN THIS START OUT ONE WAY AND TRIP UP THE DEFENSE THE OTHER ****This is one of thr greatest post of all times keep going, im sure coaches will print these thoughts out for future references. "THIS IS LIKE DFW SUMMER SCHO0L, VERY VERY EDUCATIONAL THE WIT AND TRICKERY YOU GUY'S HAVE IS INCREDIBLE MANTARAYDRE
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How do you know where the O-Line is going?
Many teams try to play gap control against the spread but it becomes difficult because if you put the D-Linemen in all the gaps, I can change the dials on the bases to go straight ahead coupled with the audible of putting the runners behind tackles or guards that can go straight ahead.
This is the basis for the screen pass or draw plays. The sweeps are easy but it must be disguised to perfection. You can roll that QB out with a fast TTC Guard where the base is turned around backwards and turn the both the runner and fullback towards an end. Remember, the D has one move. Reg |
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