Coaches that sit on the fence

[jeff]

Originally Posted by roller

My hypotheses:

Fear of losing, coupled with the high price tag associated with equiping yourself to be competitive and/or keeping up with the jones'.

I know that I didn't want to play in the MidOhio with just one of my Fab5 teams and a generic board... I had to have a team that was on par with everybody else.

Maybe, social anxiety?;incompatible personalities?

We had a coach that gave a existing coach a board , high dollar bases for his entire team and the coach was instantly competitive , even beat Frank Jacobs , but then the coach just stopped showing up and was never heard from again.

I hope a new coach does not feel he can't bring out a stock team and board and join our league.
It costs big bucks for a team of all custom players at $10 apiece and 40 players = $400 plus a custom board @ $ 500 and then bases , decals, facemasks, a coach can easily be over $1200 . That is alot of cash to put out for anything !
So I say bring what you have and a good league will help the new coaches out , because as a league , you are only as strong as your weakest player.

[RooMorgans]

Originally Posted by jeff

... Because as a league , you are only as strong as your weakest player.

Boom.

Ed

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

on where you are at in life whether you sit on the fence or want to play in a league.

For me, I created the DFW Miniature Football League in '95. It was one of those grassroot things that you put your time, sweat, money, and sacrifice into and hope others will follow your lead and do likewise.

For someone who wanted it to be as close to reality as I did, you were willing to show people everything you knew about the game in hopes they would pass it on to others and grow the league.

You bring in "Road Warriors" with the intentions of spreading the roots nationally. Sometimes, you even pay their way to come here, because if you had it and they were having financial difficulties, you did that to make it work and so everyone could have fun.

What you think the hobby could be, many did not or do not envision what you thought it could be. Bad characters, you allow in your league, just because you wanted numbers, competition, and good times.

Some people really don't want to be bothered with the human elements and problems of others. You do so much for people and never feel the support in return. It sours your thoughts about being involved with others.

So it's like two ships passing in the night. One going one way and another going the other way. You loved years ago the enthusiasm of the young and energetic guys who kept you interested in the game. But as time went on, the enthusiasm turned into out-of-control egos where winning became the only priority. Having fun, good times, and just plain ole' good company was a thing of the past.

Money is always an issue for "Road Warriors". It should be but you would think, if guys advocated these people being in their league, they would open up their homes to letting them stay there (just for a weekend). Hospitality should always be utmost of importance.

I guess when I had one guy try to punch a hole through my kitchen wall because of a bad call, the writing was definitely on the wall.

I am not saying guys should not be in leagues. I think leagues, if put in the right perspective, can be one of the best social outlets there is. You get to know people, form friendships and bonds, and hold each other accountable as men.

But one must know what is entailed of him and know what he is expecting of that league before he becomes involved. I always regret guys who I brought into leagues (especially Road Warriors) and I walk away. I feel like I've let them down. But again, it is sometimes like two ships passing in the night. After 16 years of league play, you're just not interested.

Maybe, just maybe, if you start up a league again and learn from those mistakes, it may be much different but Father Time becomes the big factor.

Reg

That's nine I's, about 17 you's, and not one WE.

That's a start for sure.

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by jeff

We had a coach that gave a existing coach a board , high dollar bases for his entire team and the coach was instantly competitive , even beat Frank Jacobs , but then the coach just stopped showing up and was never heard from again.

I hope a new coach does not feel he can't bring out a stock team and board and join our league.
It costs big bucks for a team of all custom players at $10 apiece and 40 players = $400 plus a custom board @ $ 500 and then bases , decals, facemasks, a coach can easily be over $1200 . That is alot of cash to put out for anything !
So I say bring what you have and a good league will help the new coaches out , because as a league , you are only as strong as your weakest player.

THIS IS THE KEY HERE! GREED KILLS!

[Reginald Rutledge]

WE's for 16 years in the hobby. I've been about as unselfish when it comes to this game as anybody.

The question was about how coaches sit on the fence and I was just speaking from my own perspective. I think I've given my fairshare and done many WE's for many things in this game.

Reg

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

WE's for 16 years in the hobby. I've been about as unselfish when it comes to this game as anybody.

The question was about how coaches sit on the fence and I was just speaking from my own perspective. I think I've given my fairshare and done many WE's for many things in this game.

Reg

For all the contributions.

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by jeff

We had a coach that gave a existing coach a board , high dollar bases for his entire team and the coach was instantly competitive , even beat Frank Jacobs , but then the coach just stopped showing up and was never heard from again.

I hope a new coach does not feel he can't bring out a stock team and board and join our league.
It costs big bucks for a team of all custom players at $10 apiece and 40 players = $400 plus a custom board @ $ 500 and then bases , decals, facemasks, a coach can easily be over $1200 . That is alot of cash to put out for anything !
So I say bring what you have and a good league will help the new coaches out , because as a league , you are only as strong as your weakest player.

That 1200 is what you CAN spend it IS NOT what you have to spend to be competitive. This hobby is like any other hobby as far as cost you can spend alot of money for no reason or be sensible and shop around or ask for help. I have given away teams that are competitive anywhere and it cost less than 100 bucks.


Time and distance causes most league issues.

Geno H

Geno H

[sweetka]

Set up some kind of starter kit when people enter the leagues. Keep it reasonable so that can continue to build their team and skills.

Money is a driving force in many ways. Help from leaguemates should not come at a healthy cost. We experienced coaches should ensure that we give them our best product to keep them in the hobby.

We must tweak bases for newer coaches that last long enough to add pieces instead of being tweaked just enough to break down before you can add new parts. Attrition before addition is a vicious cycle than can kill leagues almost in an instant.

Just my thoughts.

[Megawattz]

Just like everything else, depends on the coach, why drive a porche when a chevette will get u there. Time or Money either or, some may think because I customize its easy for me, its not, where I & many others have excelled is in the time rather than costs, but its a trade off, it takes me just as long to do mine as others. So as costs are a factor, not as big as u may think, all it takes is a little time. Where does this being competitive out the box come from? As with everything else practice & preserverence should be the determining factor when evaluating new coaches. How long does it take for u to make $20 at your job, if it takes a customizer 3 hrs. to create that pose u want, how much is he really making, less materials, do the math fellas, it is what it is, costs reflect time as best as possible, without going over board, imagine the costs if real economics was applied to what were doing.

[jeff]

I am sure cost can be a factor.

I am still waiting to hear from someone that is in an area with a league and chooses not to play.