The Usage Of Al Reveena's Spring Leg Kickers In Tourney's) Why Are Their Handcuff's

[WEIRDWOLF]

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

Why must there be a limit on things ?

I don't know this as fact (still waiting on that CD ) but had heard that only green bases were allowed under your rules. If so, why is that the case? If not then I apologize for mentioning it.

All hobbies have some degree of limits. With the model railroad hobby they had so many different scales of trains that they had to define them into O scale, S scale, N scale, HO scale. It would look silly to have a N scale car on HO scale wheels. They did this to give their hobby validity and realism. The hobby we have has the same problem. Many different scales of size, weight, fields. Maybe the day is near that we have to formulate our hobby into scales. Unless you own a field that is 60 some inches long you are not playing to scale based on the average size of men in production and for many that is just fine.

I think that if we ever want to put this issue to rest with some degree of agreement that we need a committee to formulate the groundrules of scale. Then, you may join a league that plays 6.2 scale or 5.5 scale and we can all co-exist happily.

[TVsCHACHI]

I don't think we'll have a universal standard for a long time, in regards to the basic allowances of bases, the hard-to-find variety (boat, brown, etc). I do dig the stripped down rules for some tournaments, no customs, certain bases allowed, because it does keep things on a level playing field, like training wheels for the new-guy. You sh'd have a team for any situation, right? If you have a no-holds barred, barb-wire/ladder match bring out the arsenal, but if you have a situation where your range is limited, have a team at the ready that fits the specs.

I also agree with the notion that 'if its out there, use it', to a point. Not every coach knows what the equipment is. At this point there is no resource guide which catalogs the stuff; history, usage, power/speed dynamics. Nor does everyone have the funds to buy all these things. Here we find ourselves in murky waters, nearing elitism, secrecy, evil Steinbrenner shizzle I'm not proposing to coddle the newbies, but we must ensure encouragement and the proper information be at hand to help them along.

I've seen the spectrum in my brief time here, fellowship and shadiness. I think before we can grow we need to step back and take the time to cultivate the rookies, and build this thing bigger and bigger, double our numbers, create the monsters, then set 'em loose.

Be a big brother to the new guys, spread the love. I see these things in bloom, and its awesome, but it has to spread deep, far, and wide.

As always I did not intend to offend anyone, any system, any idea. I am simply adding my theories to the communal pee-pot. I appreciate greatly all of yours.

To My Electric Brethren,
Salut!

[WEIRDWOLF]

he he he...he said peepot!

Sorry had to take a breath.

[TVsCHACHI]

[Geno H]

Coaches,

I am ALL for changes,but with one thing being kept in the front of all our minds. Do we want change to the point that the equipment some of you have had since childhood becomes obsolete. I know I dont. It is just as intriguing knowing you can still use figures from the 60's and they can compete. So with the changes we as coaches make let us not lose sight and become an arms race. In other words change within the size dimensions that we now have. Keep it all to the same scale it is now.


Geno H

P.S. Jimbo no problem on the weight thingy that was just an example.

[Coach K-LO]

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What if someone came up with a method to make the bases stronger and faster without tweaking or boiling, would they be allowed to play in tournaments and leagues? Probably not! I know a guy who's been on the fringe of this hobby for years because no one will allow him to play with his bases. He came up with an idea to make his bases stronger by examming Tudor's very first toy bases. If you put a boiled or tweaked base up to his, no contest; not even close. He's gonna to blow you out! He has the strongest line in Electric Football and no body will let him play! "

Smitty, give his name and number, I need some of that talent on my team!!!

As for the topic at hand, We all know that the last item to be upgraded is the TTQB/Kicker. The fact that for me, it took a long time for me to be able to understand how to pass with it. But once I learned the skill, it was easy to teach others. Kicking was not that hard, but once the plant-leg was hurt well he was no longer a good kicker.

I pickup enough of Al's kickers to have everyone in my league to have one, if they wanted, to make it a non rule issue. Most of the guys choose NOT to get one but they were allowed. It did not improve the kicking game because (1) nobody kicks FG's; (2) PAT were basicly automatic because there was no rush on the kicker;(3) going for 2pt.

Now as for weight of players -

I like the idea of different weight for different positions on the field. Seems like a logical thing to do. Thanks for the break downs guys, but if you look at the current way we do figures now, the concept that RR mentions could already be in place.
Most figures out the bag DO NOT WEIGH 2.0. we build them up to that point or trim them down to that size. Because it was the standard that was agreed upon once we (old EF-heads) began sharing experiences in the 1990's.

We could put DB on rookie bases instead of TTc bases and that would keep them in the 2.5-2.9 range. However, not a winning formula for some.

Just like guys who love FOB or ATT, they have their reasons for playing that way. I love FOB because you have to build your team to make football plays. You actually have to shed a block and make a tackle. It allows the ball carrier some 'break-away' abillity. You might get killed of you ran a 2-man line, etc. However, not everyone plays this way which is not a bad thing just making a point.

in the slotted weight idea, it may work out early one, but it requires everyone to buy into the concept. I am sure down the line, a Lavon Kirkland will pop up on defense (4.0 LB) or a William Perry in the backfield because it gets back to winning at that point - that is another reason why we play, right??

I don't play weighted because I don't want to spend the extra time on building that type of team. Not to say I can't, I just don't wan to spead extra time building my squad ....

[WEIRDWOLF]

For the new guys:
FOB-Front Of base tackling
ATT- Any Touch Tackling

Decal Master, we need that glossary asap....

[WEIRDWOLF]

Andre,
Nothing personal here, just trying to make my point on limits.

I'm still wondering if my lead weight lineman would be legal in Andre's League. If he is legal then I don't agree with that definition of MF, If he isn't legal then isn't that a limitation?

[WEIRDWOLF]

By the way, this is the best discussion yet on the MFCA forum!
I will return later. I am off to do unimportant things like my job.

[Anthony D Burgess]

The bases are to blend in with the field , and to make it look more professional . Having blue , red , black in my opion makes it more a toy than a game . Maintaining a uniform standard is key .

Chess men are uniformed , war games men are uniformed , so it is hear in the MPFL . The base are to look like the field so that the beauty of the figure can stand out .

Originally Posted by WEIRDWOLF

I don't know this as fact (still waiting on that CD ) but had heard that only green bases were allowed under your rules. If so, why is that the case? If not then I apologize for mentioning it.

All hobbies have some degree of limits. With the model railroad hobby they had so many different scales of trains that they had to define them into O scale, S scale, N scale, HO scale. It would look silly to have a N scale car on HO scale wheels. They did this to give their hobby validity and realism. The hobby we have has the same problem. Many different scales of size, weight, fields. Maybe the day is near that we have to formulate our hobby into scales. Unless you own a field that is 60 some inches long you are not playing to scale based on the average size of men in production and for many that is just fine.

I think that if we ever want to put this issue to rest with some degree of agreement that we need a committee to formulate the groundrules of scale. Then, you may join a league that plays 6.2 scale or 5.5 scale and we can all co-exist happily.