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Old 07-13-2008, 01:47 PM
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Default Marty, we will just agree to disagree

Someday, you will have to show me up close and personal. If you are going to the September Open Run, I will be there and you can employ it against my VOLS.

We still need to talk about Vegas as well. Did you get your things from me?

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Old 07-13-2008, 01:58 PM
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if you have fast strong straight runners blitzing the outsides then all that out side stuff you guys are talking will be 100% shut down. maybe that works for you all cause your loopers or blitzers are suspect. but if your boys are hungry that ain't gonna work at all.
If your gonna stack, the outside wiill be open, my tackles will take care of your loopers and your toast. With so much stacking on the defensive line you will be very vunderable outside your loopers no matter how good they are CANNOT cover it all. After 4 or 5 plays you will come out of that stack or the game will get out of hand quickly. I will attack you outside with 5 different guys, your loopers can't cover all of them. I go up against this every week, B/C coaches will try to stack to take away my inside run. They won't stack very long, B/C they know the outside is very vunderable. And if I bring in my West Coast offense, though it's not as good as Reg's I will have a field day against the stack. I welcome anyone who wants to stack the DL against me.

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Old 07-13-2008, 02:10 PM
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Default Marty, I would offer this as an option

Go play with Anthony Burgess in the MPFL style of play. Anthony offers another alternative to this luck style of play. Or one other option may be to just start your own league using the principles that you would like to see happen.

I would not even waste my time playing in systems that frustrate me. It is not worth your time or fuel to goto a place and not enjoy yourself. Anthony is offering up a solution for you as well.

But I don't think the LAEFL will be changing its format anytime soon because it has worked well for them for 10 years. So sometimes, the best thing to do is to venture off on your own. That way, you can formulate the rules to your strengths or what you think the game should be.

I would not even the play in the CBSMF if I felt hindered. I would not even waste my time playing in that because stacking is allowed. You will get frustrated if the holes are not readily open for you. The CBSMF will employ this method as well because it is under the Shootout-based ruleset. I never want you to be a part of something that you do not agree with! Yo work hard for your money and your time is very important.

Just my opinion.

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Old 07-13-2008, 04:17 PM
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If your gonna stack, the outside wiill be open, my tackles will take care of your loopers and your toast. With so much stacking on the defensive line you will be very vunderable outside your loopers no matter how good they are CANNOT cover it all. After 4 or 5 plays you will come out of that stack or the game will get out of hand quickly. I will attack you outside with 5 different guys, your loopers can't cover all of them. I go up against this every week, B/C coaches will try to stack to take away my inside run. They won't stack very long, B/C they know the outside is very vunderable. And if I bring in my West Coast offense, though it's not as good as Reg's I will have a field day against the stack. I welcome anyone who wants to stack the DL against me.

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Old 07-13-2008, 07:30 PM
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ok ..i might get blasted but who cares..... since your whining about defensive stacking.. are you also willing to stop playing with offensive stacking? when people run the ball what do most do ?? run a running back with a lead blocker behind a o linemen...hmmm 3 to 1 ratio offence advantage. So your telling me thats fair but to stop that i can't place a linbacker in run support sounds kinda like a slaughter to me...even with a fast looper its hard to catch a rb who just plows the line with his lead blocker. just my 2 cents since i had a few pennies extra this month.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT U AINT GOT NO STATS1 UR LIKE AN EXWIFE WITH AN OPINION!! KEEP TALKIN
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:36 PM
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no desrespect to any league across the country, but in my experiences in the ef world since 1977 i came across many styles of play. i played real football my whole life so i know football. but now these times are much more advanced in the electric football world since back in the day. still the same passion though. there for i feel the game should be wide open for plays to be able to develope. i have seen most every league with a whole lot of stacking going on. and there is almost 100% passing across that league all because of the heavy stacking at a weight of 3.2 or especially 4.0 there should be absolutely no stacking what so ever. only play the gaps or be 4-5 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage, and the offensive line should be atleast a pencil apart to create a hole for the runner not bunched up. any play is good between the tackles the runners should be 4-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage not touching the line if in the i formation no more than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage and no closer than 5 yards from the back of the offensive line and the qb has to be turned away from the play not a 3 man bully up the middle. this will open up the game drastically, execute plays don't bully them. only should be able to stack 2 yards or less just like the nfl. not stacking every play.
just want to hear your side of the heavy stacking that is going on across the board in these so called great leagues. for you as a coach or league to be considered one of the all time greats then the stacking must cease, and let the coaching do the winning. in my opinion stacking every play is not fun play it's slow play and it's bully ball! you might as well have boiled bases with pledge on the field against a team with proline bases(example). we used to do that in 1977 just want input on it please the world definitely needs it! again ANY STACKING SHOULD BE OUTLAWED, TO OPEN THE GAME UP!.LET THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER MAKE THE PLAY NOT A STACKED PLAYER.
BULLY BALL (TO PLAY IT IS TO BE IT!) MAKE THEM OPEN UP AND PLAY YOUR GAME......(LIKE GREENBAY DID TO YOU! REMEMBER HE COULD'NT PASS AGAINT YOU!!
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:48 PM
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stacking ain't a style it's called bully ball or rugby not football. back the line backers up 5 yards or put them in the gap not directly behind a man. but i really like that way, that's what i'm talking about i play a spread out type game. that style work.
(WHAT IF THE LINEBACKER WANTS TO BLITZ? DO U STILL BACK HIM UP 5yds?
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:51 PM
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Marty,

I will not tell you that the DFW does not allow stacking; because it does! Like you, I've played football on various levels as well. I was pretty good at it. But I was good at writing and interpreting rules. I've officiate on the high school level. Believe it or not, when a team does a max blitz, basically that is a form of stacking. The 46 defense is a form of stacking. It's just accomplished in different ways.

I have found that usually when there are issues about stacking, it is because the coach is not skilled or adept in ways of countering a stack. To me, that's football IQ. That is not to say anyone isn't smart or knowledgeable of football but it may point to not knowing enough about a style to counter the stack. You play in a league that allows stacking, just like ours. But with the audibles, you should be able to dictate what the other team does. With the stack, it sets you up in a pretty good way to matriculate down the field through the air! If you have skills passing the ball, trust me, that other team will eventually have to drop back in nickel and dime coverage to stop the pass. Then it opens up the run!

But most of the time, when guys complain about stacking, it's a "macho thing" because I want to run and show the other team I am just as strong as them. Right away, you play into their hand. In the DFW, I do feel that the coaches are very good but the range of skills vary. The best coaches (the champions) have mastered running and passing. I, myself, run probably the most dangerous offense in miniature football. It is a true "West Coast" offense with wide splits. This is run 80-90% of the time. In the Shootout scheme, I think this is the easiest and best method to score. Holes open so easily and teams dare stack. Some will start off stacking but by the second quarter, they are playing dime and quarter coverages! At that point, I would have forced my will and dictated the game. But understand, I can throw the ball very well. Not 10 yards and "Wow!" Throwing 40 and 50 yards on a rope is what we do in the DFW! But not only that, with how I run my schemes, the realistic possibilities of sweeps, zone blockings, and traps REALLY do work. So I DON'T EVER worry about the other team stacking. As a matter fact, I want them to stack because it makes my job that much easier.

I have played guys and have scored 70 points on them because they continue to stack and try to get to the QB. I have no problem on how I matriculate down the field as long as I do it! Usually at the root of this is that guys testosterone gets in the way. We want to show "we are stronger than you" by pushing you even in gap systems. There is no shame in throwing the ball on every down if the defense gives that area up. What are you suppose to do? Still run the ball? He stacks because he knows you can't pass? So, is that the reason? Can you honestly say that your skills at passing are good? Because usually, that is what the problem is.

I wish a team would stack on me. With the QB having the ability to rollout and throw on a rope, scoring can get out of hand. And then eventually, that team will stop stacking on you.

That's just my opinion.

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Old 07-13-2008, 07:55 PM
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A man! A man! stacking sucks, when I was in the NYEFL now the CNYEFL, we stacked all the time, it was like playing rugby and it took for ever for a play to develop
BY ANY CHANCE DO HAVE ANY FOOTAGE TO SHOW? AND WHAT LEVEL WERE U GUYS PLAYING AT? OUT HERE IN L.A A STACK LIMITS PURSUIT AND SUPPORT.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:27 PM
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Someday, you will have to show me up close and personal. If you are going to the September Open Run, I will be there and you can employ it against my VOLS.

We still need to talk about Vegas as well. Did you get your things from me?

Reg
yes i got the things and thanks alot for the look out. you are truly a good person and may god continue to bless you and your company.
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