Scale question

[Coach Rip]

I think the need for the extra decimal places came from the many bases that were teetering on the 1.25 gram roll up/down weight that has been explained on previous posts by shaggy,

if we know they (bases) vary on the weight, then a few of us invested to get scales that would zero in exactly how much this or that was over....just because we were/are curious.

I don't think the new scales that give an extra two decimal places are that much more expensive than the other scales that are out there.

AS far as the cheating issue, ................it is a game, and guys are competitive by nature and the need to win is greater to some than it is to others who just want to play. So you get into a situation where the former are "pushing" the envelope, hence the "clear coat" post.

I appreciate the fact that many guys put a lot of time into building their team, and if you are going to have equipment rules, one (competition director) needs to do his best to have clear concise rules and a way of enforcing them.

AT BuzzFest I do my best to do these things, I think if folks are going to travel to a tournament then they should expect a fair enforcement of the rules and no "home cookin" to be involved, .............with scales or without scales.

And remember, yes, scales are different, but if everyone is getting weighed on the same one or two scales, then at that point, everyone is on the same relative field.

[RavennaAl]

I don't get to play in all the tourneys like you guys do. But, from my experience with my own teams, I would have to say that the difference between a 3.2 guy and a 3.2 that is actually 3.25 but not quite enough to tip the scales to 3.3 is miniscule at best. The biggest difference between players is going to be the tweaking in the bases. Second biggest is the size and configuration of the players involved. I can offer a few examples of this.

#1 --- My Sasquatch are made of Bigman figures. They are on rookie bases, though the linemen, middle linebackers and running backs have a BB glued underneath. Those figures weigh in at 3.2 - 3.3g's, the others at 2.7 - 2.8g's. The Bozos are regular Miggle figures also on Rookie bases with BB's under the same men. They weigh in about .2 - .3g's less for each position then the 'Quatch guys do. Man for man, they are at a .2 - .3g disadvantage.

None of the bases are tweaked for any kind of strength. The only tweaking done is for directional control, getting a guy to turn left or right, or to get him to go straight.

In two games against each other, you would have thought that the weights were opposite, as the clowns pushed the big guys around some and won both games. The only thing I can think of for this is due to the difference in figures, Bigman vs. little guys where the little guys must have some sort of leverage advantage or something

#2 ---- In the game between the SwampMoose and Sasquatch, the Moose were waaay under weight, (a good .3 - .5g's disadvantage) regular Miggle guys without any Milliput like the Bozos had. The game was fairly even strength wise, as neither team had any kind of advantage. The one thing that the Moose did have was specially tweaked bases for strength.

#3 --- In a game between my Rams and Bozos, the Rams were pushing them around a little. My Rams weigh about the same as the 'Quatch, again on untweaked rookie bases. They are older Tudor figures, about the same size as the Bozos. Same sized figures going against each other, but the heavier team was winning

Heavy, larger team untweaked bases vs. lighter, smaller team, untweaked bases and the smaller team won.

Heavy, smaller, team untweaked bases vs. lighter, smaller, team untweaked bases and heavier team won

Heavy, larger team untweaked bases vs. much lighter, smaller team tweaked bases, basically even play

All this quibble over .1g to me is meaningless. Base strength, speed and figure postures will do more to win or lose a game. I say use the scale that goes by tenths and don't sweat it. Otherwise you'll just ******** off alot of guys by nit-picking.

[Michigan Joe]

I actually could care less what scale is used as long as its done in an inclusive manner. Frankly I'm surprised that anyone cares about 0.01g but thats just me.

My real point is that this game is not a precise as 0.01g. Did the pass of the little weightless foam ball hit the reciever? Was that a glancing tackle? Is the board running too fast, to slow, to bouncy? Hey didn't you just move that figure closer to the ball carrier when you made your adjustment? Did you put your TTQB down in the wrong spot, etc, etc, etc. What is the weight of your football? You could have 10 different people looking at these things and could get an array of different opinions. This is not always a precise game all the time and I believe that to have a good competition the competitors need to be gentleman (and friendly) or you could argue on just about every little thing. 0.01-0.04g is TINY compared to the other issues that I stated above. I don't run a tournament, but I like to travel to them and this is what matters to ME. Now there was a very negative post made last night that I felt was directed towards me that I read before it was later deleted and I hope that you can at least respect my opinion.
Joe

p.s. Shabby- I agree with you on not calling out "cheaters" on the forum. Its just frustrating that the cheaters seem to have so much clout.

Originally Posted by Michigan Joe

p.s. Shabby- I agree with you on not calling out "cheaters" on the forum. Its just frustrating that the cheaters seem to have so much clout.

Most equipment cheaters were dealt with and these limits are in place because of them. Those issues really don't happen much anymore, because participants are forewarned and they are enforced at most events.

You're dead on about the "other" areas of shady dealings, Joe. Therefore, I will ONLY play at events that have 3 Refs that can actually see; Instant Replay; and a Lie Detector for the other player. :rolleyes:

[Michigan Joe]

Your funny Jimbo. Dang and I spoke up just because I was trying to give you a hard time!

Anyways I know where I won't have to worry about any such nonsense- South Bend next weekend! Looking forward to seeing a great group of guys in the HHEFL next weekend.

Go Blue!
Joe

At the risk of jumping a bit off topic............

See, the more we get into it - deeper into the subject, the more common ground we share. Most of us, anyway. But like any other technical subject, opinions and methods to achieve the same goals vary.

Some events use scales to help ensure a more level playing field and to add a level of professionalism not always found elsewhere. How they do so it up to them.

Some events only allow their products on the field to not only promote their product line but to help assure a more level playing field for their events. It is well withing their rights to do so as a means of offering a competitive platform.

Some people insist only on playing the game with those they are sure will not resort to underhanded methods to achieve an advantage - My preferred method.

None of the above are bad and no one is inherently better than another, with maybe the exception of the later.

As far as people making up calls, "seeing things" - phantom tackles, completions, interceptions, etc., there is no cure for honest people except to refuse involvement with such individuals. My only suggestion for those prone to such hallucinations is to seek professional treatment in the form of couch time and medication.

-Mike Pratt