The Usage Of Al Reveena's Spring Leg Kickers In Tourney's) Why Are Their Handcuff's

[Anthony D Burgess]

But this is a hobby that is a sport . We don't just stand back and look

The scale is to reflect realism , with us it must be playable .

Originally Posted by WEIRDWOLF

I don't know this as fact (still waiting on that CD ) but had heard that only green bases were allowed under your rules. If so, why is that the case? If not then I apologize for mentioning it.

All hobbies have some degree of limits. With the model railroad hobby they had so many different scales of trains that they had to define them into O scale, S scale, N scale, HO scale. It would look silly to have a N scale car on HO scale wheels. They did this to give their hobby validity and realism. The hobby we have has the same problem. Many different scales of size, weight, fields. Maybe the day is near that we have to formulate our hobby into scales. Unless you own a field that is 60 some inches long you are not playing to scale based on the average size of men in production and for many that is just fine.

I think that if we ever want to put this issue to rest with some degree of agreement that we need a committee to formulate the groundrules of scale. Then, you may join a league that plays 6.2 scale or 5.5 scale and we can all co-exist happily.

[Reginald Rutledge]

Anthony,

I could not agree more! I have always thought there really was no need to change the color of the base. To me, it was simply a marketing strategy to get you to buy more.

We allow the coaches to paint the purple bases, orange bases, or whatever other bases you have. However, some coaches think that one color over another will give them an advantage. From that perspective, my thinking is whatever makes you feel you can win, use them.

But me personally, I have always saw the base and field as one item blended together.

Reginald

[WEIRDWOLF]

I actually prefer a green base over any other so I am in agreement with you on that.

Some of what I have heard from some in this discussion is a "anything goes" mentality. Limits have to be set to protect the integrity of the game. Green bases in the MPFL protects the integrity of the look and feel of that game. Size and weight limits do that also.

I like innovation! I just don't want to see us creating 2 in high figures by adding sculpey just to win. There has to be a line drawn somewhere as to how far you can go and still call it miniature football. Otherwise whats to stop me from using the new Mcfarlane 2 in high figures in a game if I can fit them on a base. Much of what we do is about scale. I really want us as a community to define a scale for what we are doing so that if someone decides that they have a better chance of winning if their figure is 5 mm higher then what is now produced we have something to control that with.

Man I am loving this discussion...

[5-13 Studios]

i haven't read every post, but from what i can gather everyone is itching to update the accepted rules/regulations standard that has been in place for a long time. what if instead of doing away with the old standard entirely, it's broken up into different groups of difficulty.

easy (for beginners)
intermediate (restricted to traditional methods of pass/pass placement/kick/etc...and regular base tweaking)
advanced (come one, come all. boiled bases/ spring loaded kickers/ etc...)


there could even be a chaotic division where anything really does go (ok, maybe not ).

I know a guy who's been on the fringe of this hobby for years because no one will allow him to play with his bases. He came up with an idea to make his bases stronger by examming Tudor's very first toy bases. If you put a boiled or tweaked base up to his, no contest; not even close. He's gonna to blow you out! He has the strongest line in Electric Football and no body will let him play!

Yo Smitty, send him out to LA, we'll let him play! As a matter of fact this is what I've been looking for. Have him holla at me so I can get some pointers on his technology!

310-569-1245

Dave Campbell

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


Lets say espn had a special channel called "espn miniature games" where ef was the sunday spotlighted game. As a new person just watching for the first time ever, when you cut the tv on, what would impress you so much that you had to get into the hobby. FOR ME >>>>>>>>>>>>

1) The look of the game for starters (stadiums, big fields). i would love to see a digital scoreboard with crowd noise affixed to it.

2) The players ( what we have now, decaled to the max)

3) The pace of the game, if it's like watching baseball, the channel will be turned. Game has to be up-tempo with clocks moving coaches moving and devising plays, noise going, lkke a real game.

4) Bases, bases moving so effortlessly north to south that play calling is a breeze

WHAT WILL TAKE THIS SPORT TO NEW HEIGHTS IN YOUR OPINION?
HEY REG, CAN YOU MAKE THOSE BIG SCOREBOARDS HAPPEN

Ill get back to the meat of the situation, i just would like to hear your thoughts that can be incorporated into what we are discussing. Remember, your just a big nfl fan and just happen to turn the channel and saw this game going on. (It can be anything you would like to see that made you go "oh shut your mouth" i got to get this game."

mantaray offices

P.S- Ifyou did not know what a base was, what would make you say, what is that, those thing are cool?

[O-schemer]

Let's remember that any rules we come up with will have to be enforced. I know from helping with the Bama Blast for 10 years, that time is a real issue. Most of our tournaments are played on weekends, and if a lot of guys show up, you are pushed to get your games in. Weighing in every team, and individual players takes a lot of time.

I think Anthony is onto something when he says the style of play needs to be addressed, but you have to consider the time to play those types of games.

K-lo mentioned that most guys don't kick and if they do it's an abbreviated version for the sake of saving time. Special teams is almost ignored in our hobby.

I'm not talking about league games, where time is not as much a factor, but I'm speaking of tournaments. These are the times when we all get together and the hobby is in all it's glory. If we are ever on TV, it will be a scaled down version of a football game. They won't give us the time to play to the detail that some guys are speaking of.

I also like the professional image issue that has be spoken of, but I know several guys that wouldn't buy that for a minute. They would just branch off and do their own thing as they always have. They like their teams just the way they are.

[RavennaAl]

First of all, I have to agree with Wolfboy in that this is the most rational, intelligent post I've seen in a long time. Undoubtably due to the fact that GBGlenn has yet to say anything. But let's be real here. There has to be some sort of rules reguarding the equipment used. Every sport has some sort of rules to make it fair to everyone competing. Imagine NASCAR with no rules. You would have guys bolting 747 jet engines into cars with 400 gallon gas tanks so that they wouldn't have to stop.

We need to have some rules or it becomes a free for all. Would you really want to play that way? Imagine playing against someone who glues magnets under his defensive linemen. You can't move them so your running back just runs into them for no yards. With his 4 linemen plugging up the line, he can use the remaining 7 to be sure your recievers have no chance at all of getting anywhere. Sound like fun?? Or maybe using GI Joe dolls with a base strapped to each foot? As you can see, the game can degenerate pretty quickly. Nope, there has to be some sort of sane, reasonable limit to the weights and sizes of the players. What I don't understand is why some guys feel like they have to play with figures that weigh 5, 6, 7 or more grams. What's wrong with 3 - 3.5 or somewhere near there? A standard Miggle figure with a rookie base weighs around 2.3 - 2.5 grams. Painted, maybe 2.7 or 2.8 That's quite a bit of weight you have to add to them to get them up to the 3.2 limit most leagues use. What is the difference between playing with all teams at 3.2, or all teams at 5.0? Why is it someone always has to try and have an upper hand by making his team just a little bit heavier than someone else?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, why do guys always have to feel like they need to do something to give them that extra edge over the next guy? Why can't they just play with even teams and let the coaching abilities decide who wins? Maybe what we need is an IROC approach. I'll hold a Ravenna Al Inventational. Each coach will get one of my teams. All built more or less the same, untweaked rookie bases, each team could beat another team on any given Sunday. No tampering with bases. You just have to use them the way you get them. The rule of play will change between games. You might play ATT one game, FOB the next. TTQB, passing sticks or passing dice changing from game to game. The coach who can best adapt his playing style using the same equipment as the other coaches will win. And, as an extra kicker, spring kickers allowed.

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

What factors in the choice of the equipment you buy /

1) Why do you buy certain bases and not others ?

2) Why do you buy certain figures and not others ?

3) Why do you have the size field that you have ?

4) Why do you play the style that you play ?


I for one buy figures according to their look, i just happen to love reggies, itz's, bill porches fig's. I buy for the look where as others may buy for performance or that paticular fig would fit nicely on their team. If i buy fig's due to the look, i want that player on my team, even if it's above the old standard weight. Alot of coaches say that the haiti repro's are the best performing fig's in electric football, i dont like the way they look so i dont want them on my team, that's just my personal pref ! We know reggies fig's are heavier than the haiti repro's. when i said put on the field what you like, both coaches know the weight diff between the 2. If your team is full of haiti's because they perform the best and mine full of reggies because i like the look, why cant we just get it on (WE BOTH KNOW THE WEIGHT DIFF, IT'S NO SECRET) It's just 2 coaches liking different fig's and that's their team. Would'nt you want to coach and try to out perform the reggie figs if you had the haiti's. SO HOW DO WE HAVE THIS GAME ON COMMON GROUND.


BASES- Why do you guy's choose your bases, i like the polo green bases (miggle) because you dont have to do much tweaking, they are pretty decent right off the sprue. "that's just me"

Fields- Why do you play on a regular superbowl field or 620 as opposed to a scale size board, a ff.com 308 board etc etc, vice versa also. I have the 308 and love it, i like the openess (size) to do certain things. I also want a scale size board also. I have a regular miggle superbowl field for praticing. I love watching sweeps develop and it's hard if the board is not wide enough

I WOULD LOVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO HEAR FROM SOME WEST COAST COACHES ALSO.

MANTARAY OFFICES

[ivsoptionsondeck]

*** Hey fella's, I the old kid back on the new block of evolution of EFL, and I'v been entertained alot by you all.
And just to put in a little perspective to what I saw "after 20 years of no EFL games being sold in Oklahoma since 1999" .
I saw beautiful things in what you all do, Sporty things, and yeah, some Weird things too.
The weird thing was the Color bases or course. I read colums and some of you have the same realizim i'm tunned to want to see. All Green Bases, Blending in to fit the descibtion that's promoting the Game called FOOTBALL!
I is distracting to look at all these souped up, good lookin figures, standing on a colorfull green field with a NEON COLORED BASE!?
It's true, I looks more kiddish like that?, too me, and now i'm not the only one who thinks it's ugly lol, that's the only reason I kept my thoughts to myself on it, but today, I see you all going at it lol.