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10-17-2008, 01:46 PM
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Come on Guttman.....
Mike, ................
Just by reading the questions of some of the posts by newbies, ..............anyone can tell, ....................yes, we do need a baseline set of rules for them to get them started right away.
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10-17-2008, 01:51 PM
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Rules
Good topic and mostly civil discussion...I applaud that.
One of the funniest subplots of a movie came in the movie, "Bang the Drum Slowly" with a young DeNiro as a Yankees catcher. There was a group of players in the lobby playing a card game called "TEGWAR". Newbies in the lobby wanted to hang with the players so they'd join in the game without knowing the rules. They quickly lost their money because TEGWAR was an acronym for "The Endless Game Without Any Rules". These newbies would drop down their money and cards...pretend to know what they were doing, and then be beaten in their hands by hands like a "purple hooter" or whatever name the experienced guys would make up. In that, I sympathize with the newbies not having a set of rules and then having to jump from one set to another when going from league to tournament...needing weighted figures for one and then unweighted stock figures for things like the NHFL. It'd be nice. At the same time, our hobby isn't big enough to tolerate splinters that a uniform rule set would cause. Guys have been playing a certain way for so long in their pockets of this country that a uniform rule set would only serve to give one more reason for them not joining the cause of the MFCA which is simply to promote the game in all its intricacies and pecularities. I've always said that a significant vendor investment with a large cash tournament or two would accomplish much more uniformity. I don't think it can be accomplished from the bottom up, but instead the top down (man I sound like a republican George...ugh). Put $20,000 as a prize and you can bet that guys would be working on perfecting that system and set of rules pretty quickly. Why play too differently from that set of rules when your compatriots are getting practice with the rules that will make you $ in the end? If money wouldn't work, then just promise a date with Miss MFCA if they win the tournament...that'd probably get everyone to adopt the same set of rules  Keep up the great work MFCA.
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#43
10-17-2008, 01:51 PM
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Instead of a rule book the MFCA should have an instructional book. A how to guide to miniature football. Instead of uniting maybe we should be promoting. This is what we know in order to make your miniature football experience a fun one type of guide. I am about to pertake in the NHFL this year. This is a first for me. Now, I have pondered for a few years about this and was undecided because of some rules I did not care for. Especially the TTQB. I have never used one before. Even as a kid it was always if the receiver is open it was an automatic catch. When I was explaining the TTQB to my nephews they had no idea what it was. When I explained it to them they looked at me with a deer caught in the headlights look but the rules are the rules. If I want to play in the NHFL I must become efficient with the TTQB and I WILL. For the record I love the BuzzBall passing sticks.
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10-17-2008, 02:00 PM
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Popcorn line is growing faster than I thought it would. Don't beam me up just yet Scotty. There just might be some intelligent life down here.
-Mike Pratt
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#45
10-17-2008, 02:02 PM
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Chill out man! If you read my entire post it states that I made my comments over this post and many posts like it over the last couple of years or so. I should have added "or the lack there of". It was simply my opinion. Thats all. Not pointing fingers at anyone in paticular. I see no harm in another rule set. That being said I see no reason for another rule set. I have to agree with Corey there is alot of other more pressing issues. But if thats what the MFCA members want then by all means I will even help. This type of reaction to what I post is why I was so reluctant to post most all of the other times. It is just my opinion which doesnt amount to anything. I dont think I'm right and others are wrong its simply my opinion. We should be able to openly express our opinions without being called out. Thats why alot of people never reply to these types of issues.  Geno H
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#46
10-17-2008, 02:14 PM
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A newbies P.O.V!
I read this thread and shake my head at some of the post from some of the long time coaches whom I've really come to admire and wonder "why not?". When I first re-entered this hobby earlier this year I was really lost on a lot of things. I went to a bunch of league websites to learn about their rules and initially it was Greek to me. Due to me being a freakin' genius I was able to figure a lot of stuff out on my own. (OK...maybe not a genius...but I can reed, rite, and do my rythmatik). I also had some help from a few coaches in my area which I think is a VERY important element for newbies. BUT...I do think it could help if there is a standard set of rules for newbies to get started with. The important thing is that they are NOT MANDATORY for anyone, just a simple guideline (more updated than Miggle's) to get started while one is getting their feet wet. Not everyone is ready to go to the deep end of the pool. Having a place to get their feet wet while they get accustomed to things seems so logical to me...so much so that I'm having a hard time grasping why anyone would be against it. It's not like anyone is being forced to play it. I believe that it's ok to have a difference of opinion on things. In fact I think it's great...BUT to take an attitude of "I don't think it should be done this way and if it is I'm going to sit on the sidelines" smacks of being selfish to this newbie. Try instituting it and let those who want to learn with and play using the rules use them. You more experience coaches will continue with your league/tourney rules anyway...and that's ok!
And that my friends is a newbie's point of view. 
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#47
10-17-2008, 02:15 PM
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Yes G....
Yes, George, I agree.....
Go to www.google.com and type in electric football, rules See what comes up. You scroll down the page on the left and what you see is- 2000 rules people will click on this and up comes a set of rules set by Vance Warren. They will more than likely play by these rules, which I believe is the Bama Blast rules?? The other way newbies and others will get rules, would be by either buying an Excalibur or Miggle game. The way around it would be for someone to write up a base set of rules, save it to a Wikipedia page so this would come up as the #1 link on Google, then let the players themselves make any adjustments they would like to play by.
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#48
10-17-2008, 02:16 PM
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just asked a ?
if you meant something else than what you typed, then you should have typed it
If the MFCA's mission is to promote the hobby, and the hobby grows by adding newbies into the hobby, ............... then why is a baseline set of rules for beginners so threatening for existing guys in the hobby. I think many are missing the point, ............. I am coming from the position of facilitating growth, ie. get them going asap! AKA baseline set of rules for beginners,.................... or is it that many will feel that the baseline rules set hinder their league? Geno, .............you chill out!
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#49
10-17-2008, 02:21 PM
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George,
I am chillin man. I am chillin. Ok I am all for it lets do it!  I will volunteer to help create a set of rules for the newbies. Geno H
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