Enough is enough. Let's vote!

[Treks1]

When you consider 3.2 , 3.3 or 4.0 I think just about every coach knows what you are talking about. Come on people. Combination of figure and Base no more than a certain weight. The "standard" we are referring to here has nothing to do with the figure per se. The question raised here is that for many years the recognized weight limit has been 3.2 g for the combination of base and figure and is that really the "standard" today.

I don't believe it is and the voting confirms this.

If the standard combined weight limit is 3.3 g for 40 years then we need to RESET the standard to 4.0 g

As the MFCA best represents coaches of our modern hobby and we seek to have rules that reflect how we play the game today and what will include the most coaches, I believe it is up to us to set the standards and yes, rules that incorporate how most coaches play today. The weight limit is a legitimate issue and part of what the MFCA should be discussing.

To reiterate, no one is trying to state that standard sets of figures , be they Fab Five, MIggle Pro Line, or whatever are "outlawed" or no longer allowed, but that the combination base + figure "standard" weight limit is 4.0

[beenutt]

From my experience, I think 4.0 should be the MFCA standard. This is based on playing in many of the major tournaments out there and experiencing play on the larger boards at higher speeds. The advantages of 4.0 are :

1. The players perform better - they dont fall over as much at higher speeds.
2. You can use just about any customizable figure out there and make weight without drilling holes, etc.
3. You can use just about combination of figure and base and make weight.
4. You can add weight easily to any figure to make maximum weight.

You don't have any of these advantages if you make the standard 3.3.

I understand the frustrations of manufacturers trying to design around a standard. But going to 4.0 does not rule out any manufacturers equipment. My favorite figures are buzzball and I add weight to my buzzball figures to make 4.0. About 90% of my figures are buzzball and I prefer playing at 4.0! I also use a lot of the haiti repro figures.

Lets go 4.0 and go with it!

beenutt

[Coach Rip]

this is pointless.......

Geno, tail wagging the dog, .............tell you what.......... you put on a tournament with 40 - 50 guys and see what happens.

I'm very vocal about this because I'm the ONLY one on this board, who has literally invested 10's of thousands of dollars in this hobby. You guys don't like or trust my judgment, and totally discredit my experience, much less understand what you are talking about.....to each his own.

Wolf you are getting it, .....it is about establishing "Classes" for competition, .............Not standards for equipment. Folks, Use the correct words for what you are talking about.

Al, if you can't understand by now with all my explanations, or if you have trouble reading what I have said, ..........then there is nothing else to say, it all has been said in all of my posts...............everything thoroughly explained about the difference and what Standards Actually are. ............................. I didn't make the ******** standard.....tudor did!

[Michigan Joe]

Originally Posted by beenutt

1. The players perform better - they dont fall over as much at higher speeds.
beenutt

This is absolutely true and a hard to dispute fact that the higher weight allows a coach to create much better balanced figure because the weight can be adeded LOW. A "classic" tudor figure was actually about 1.4g and placed on a 0.8g rookie base was only 2.2g. This is not nearly as robust as a 4.0g figrue placed on a vibrating table as minor variations in the boards vibrations have a much larger effect on the light players. The RB breaks thru the hole, he's at the 30-20-10...oh he takes a left turn and runs out at the 5! You know we all cringe when that happens.

You want the weight LOW LOW LOW in the "athlete" (figure + base) in order to improve playability. 4.0 weighted category allows for this! PROGRESS

Two categories:
3.2g classic
4.0g weighted/customs

[Megawattz]

If u use the phrase "Competition Weight" instead of "Standards" I believe everyone here would agree. The standards are in place with regard to manufactured products, thats not gonna change no time soon. As far as "Competition Weight" thats really whats this about. 4.0 is the preferred "Competition Weight" for stated reasons, that doesnt mean standards have to change.

[Shabby J]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Let them wiegh what they weigh as long as no "artificial" weight is added! How simple is that!!! Make it 4.1, 4.2, doesn't matter, but don't allow weight to be added.

Earth to Tomkat....earth to Tomkat..........................

[Michigan Joe]

Coach Rip, I think your perspective is very well respected and everyone is listening to you!

You are spot on about standards vs. classes. We should be calling this playing "classes" and not standards. However, I don't think so many peole are getting caught up in those semantics, they are just sharing their preferences. This is the consumer talking! From a manufacturers point of view, don't you want to create a new item that is so great and well recieved that it becomes the standard? Take for example your figures. Tudor didn't have arms foreward figures or tall reciever figures. You broke from standard with these didn't you? Now your figures are standard because they were so well recieved! If someone comes out with a 2.0g bases that runs out of the bag without tweaking required it will become standard.

[Silverhorse 228]

This is better than "Days of Our Lives"

If Al ends up dead, I am going to blame the butler!

Maybe we do need to write an article for the Spring Issue of The Tweak...it will be the most anticipated issue ever! Okay...who is offering their input?

[mklingbeil]

I voted for 4.0, though my personal preference is 4.0 for linemen, 3.6 for backs, receivers, linebackers, and DBS

Quick question though...when did 3.3 become the standard? I remember since we first started and Mike Pratt came up with the standards that is was always 3.2...why did that change?

The heaviest tudor figure is less than 2.0 (even the 68 big men) and the heaviest base ever made by Tudor is 1.2g. Thus, the standard set by Tudor is 3.2...right?

So, shouldn't this be a debate about 3.2 versus 4.0 for standards (or whatever you want to call them...most anyone on this board could care less)?

Just curious,
Mark

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by Coach Rip

this is pointless.......

Geno, tail wagging the dog, .............tell you what.......... you put on a tournament with 40 - 50 guys and see what happens.

I'm very vocal about this because I'm the ONLY one on this board, who has literally invested 10's of thousands of dollars in this hobby. You guys don't like or trust my judgment, and totally discredit my experience, much less understand what you are talking about.....to each his own.

Wolf you are getting it, .....it is about establishing "Classes" for competition, .............Not standards for equipment. Folks, Use the correct words for what you are talking about.

Al, if you can't understand by now with all my explanations, or if you have trouble reading what I have said, ..........then there is nothing else to say, it all has been said in all of my posts...............everything thoroughly explained about the difference and what Standards Actually are. ............................. I didn't make the ******** standard.....tudor did!

Coach Rip,
Honestly , just because people arent agreeing doesnt mean that they are discrediting your knowledge.

You have know idea how much time,effort and money,which all have value, that I have put into this as well.

I respect your input and expertise. We can just agree to disagree.

Read my posts above I get the difference between standards and classes however they do share common ground and can be dicussed in the same conversation.

All that manufacture products for MF today have a right to be included and grandfathered into TODAYS standards.

Geno H