Weirdwolf

[Anthony D Burgess]

I'm sorry that you and others feel my post was negative and that you realy didn't see my point.

The focus should be on how we as men conduct our self . We jump to conclusion without getting the facts. As with the lock on my last post proves, a lot of times what prople read is miss understood or the point not seen and thus they don't ask question to make sure they understood what they read.

Think of it like this, you know this guy who is a drunk, it might be somone in your family or a dear friend. Then someone who wants to help him starts out with the truth, He is a drunk, now how do we help him get better ?

But you get offended because of the truth, never seeing that the person is trying to help your friend and that getting him to see that he has a problem is the first step in recovery.

This is our hobby. No one wants to say that there is an issue, but every one wants to cover it up .

Man ,........I don't understand why guys just don't see the point that some of the men in this hobby are the issue and that we need to stand for positive coaches and not uphold negative ones.

When some one points out something in an effort to make things better then that is a friend.

So to all readers try and understand this post, see the point I'm making, and do your part to make sure that the integrity of this hobby holds true for the future.

Would you rather play with someone who is honest and fair, or with someone who cares about winning only ?

Turning your back on an issues adds to the negativity, while talking about it brings positivity .

[kotixblack]

AB,
I got your point lound and clear, and totally agree with your point of fellowshipping with the positive coaches and building on what we have in a non selfish manner by promoting the hobby and not solely ourselves, and our products. We as EF coaches need to look in the mirror before pointing the finger at others, and ask what can we do to make the hobby better. If this hobby is to become the next big thing, it can not be about me, me, me, my this my that, I'm the best, I created this, I created that, I won this, I won that. Hopefully this post will not fall on deaf ears as the last one did regarding examples given of things that are very irritating in EF.

[Anthony D Burgess]

Man I am so pleased to see that you got it!!!!!!!!!.

Doing things for others is important , and to formulate an opinion on someone or something should be based on facts not on blind opinion .

The game of football teaches so much about life itself that many fail to learn from it. Understanding your duty on a play, maintaining your composure , understanding what you see in front of you, trusting in your team mate, knowing that your actions effect the hole team are all leesons, " life lessons " learned from football .

These are absent in the hobby. We need to cast a bright light on these types of people and let them know that there is no place in this hobby for there conduct . We can not condone there behavior but uphold all that is good and right in the sportsmanship of life .

We are blessed to play the only hands on sports game in the US to my understanding and need to do more .

If your a league member do your part , if you are the head of your league the lead fairly , be honest , be understanding . In doing so this will invite others to fellowship with you or even join your league .

We all want a fair experience from this hobby , but we must first be fair with our self befor we can be fair to others .

[Silverhorse 228]

I would like to talk with you over the phone...can you call me at 574-722-1204. I will be home for about another hour 2pmEST:o

Matthew Culp
Editor and Publishing Director of The Tweak

[RooMorgans]

Of no judgment either way to the points raised in Anthony's post above, it is worth pointing out that EF is not the only hands-on sports game/hobby in the U.S.

http://www.americansubbuteo.com

[Silverhorse 228]

Hey check out their national rankings system...that is exactly what we should have! Hey Wolf...what do you think?

[wolverine]

ooooooooooo....iiiiiiiiiiiii...liiiiiiiiiiiike it......it would not hurt my feelings to be last...but what about others...you know how some ALWAYS hvae to be # 1

[RooMorgans]

Not to threadjack here, but just since a couple folks showed interest in that link, I'll share some other information regarding the ASA that may or may not be correlated to EF:

* The ASA is a partner nation of FISTF, the international table soccer governing body. FISTF has a world ranking system, of which our players are a part, and we host international tournaments every year as part of the World Tour.

* The ASA rankings are an ongoing source of discussion, and were just recently changed to include "rolling" rankings in addition to the points race for the season. A season runs from September 1 of one year to August 31 of the next, thus, our 2007-08 season just began with the Delaware Valley Open on Saturday. There is no perfect system for such a thing - the majority seem to like what we have.

* Tournaments are fields of 12-24, however there is an upcoming tournament in Maryland likely to surpass 60 players.

* The ASA has been much more successful at developing youth players than EF has. In fact, some of our youth players have won full tournaments themselves, and challenge well in their age group in international events. How? Like the reason you rob a bank - that's where the money is! If you want kids to play, get in the schools!

* The ASA has had a Board of Directors (5 folks, one person for each region, with one serving as President) for many years. These are the policy makers for the game in our country, as representatives of the ASA members in their region. ASA membership is granted by playing in a tournament at any point and paying tourney fees, then confirming membership information either online or with your region's VP.

Ed
(ASA Mid-Atlantic VP 2004-06)

[GUTTMANN]

Tom Ruesink has a ranking formula. He used to post it on our league site.
www.tothehouse.com
You may want to contact him for a more "In-depth" explanation of the ranking formula.
Mike

[RooMorgans]

Originally Posted by GUTTMANN

Tom Ruesink has a ranking formula. He used to post it on our league site.
www.tothehouse.com
You may want to contact him for a more "In-depth" explanation of the ranking formula.
Mike

I kind of created those ("RooPI") - at least the first version that he used on the site. It was created as a bit of a copycat of the ASA Rankings of the time, or so I figured - points earned for level of finish in tournaments based on number of players in the tournament, with bigger tournaments being designated as "majors" and being worth more points. That way someone who bounced in the quarterfinals of a 32-coach tourney probably would get similar points to someone who made the final of an 8-coach tourney, given that they would have had to win the same number of elimination games to get to those stages of the respective tournaments. I think there may have even then been an intended component for points for tourney finish based on strength of schedule, but I don't remember.

I don't totally know how they are figured up now. For ASA, I think we dispatched of the "major" designation a year or so ago.