Miniature Football Home  

Go Back   Miniature Electric Football Forums > RULES WORLD, RULES WORLD, RULES WORLD plus Strategies and Formations > General rules posts not specific to a certain rules set
FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Vince148 Vince148 is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Now back in Michigan
Posts: 228
Default What's really needed for a good defense?

I was looking at some "game films" and pictures, and I notice a lot of defenses are just lined up straight across the LOS with maybe a safety playing back 10 yards or so.

As I experiment with different defensive formations, it doesn't really appear that it makes a whole lot of difference whether I'm in a recognizeable formation or not. Sometimes, I'll play with a fairly distinguishable 4-3 and other times, I'm using 4 loopers coming off the ends while manning up with my DBs and maybe playing a LB or two in the interior.

Either way, the results seem equally the same.

So, if I'm on defense, what do I really care about? What do I want to accomplish? I basically have two defenses, a run stopping defense and a pass stopping defense.

Why are some of you using 9 men on the LOS? What are some of your basic defensive ideas?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Steel Town Tough's Avatar
Steel Town Tough Steel Town Tough is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Daytona Beach,FL
Posts: 607
Default Defense 101

Great question.First you need to have a defense that can line up to any offense and be sound.Example--CB line up on 1 WR,OLB find #2 and leverage him.Safeties line up between 2 and 3 with care about crossing over the hashes.You can keep your box players the same--DL/ILB.NEVER GET OUTFLANKED!!!When I say 1,2,3 I mean eligible wr or slots,ect.If you blitz,you need to have another player to cover the area or play man defense.Another thing is your opponent.Are they a run team or pass team.No need keeping people out of the box if the offense is going to run it all the time.Force the opponent to do wants he is uncomfortable with.Take away his bread and butter plays.I hope I did not get to complicated.Hope this helps!STT
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-04-2010, 07:49 PM
Michigan Joe's Avatar
Michigan Joe Michigan Joe is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mundelien, IL
Posts: 1,364
Default

Generally since there is not much zone pass defense played in MF then you will often see the all out blitzes and man-man press coverage.

I think it also depends on the rule set. Take for instance the shootout rules. In this system the "O" gets three back field motion audibles to only one on defensive audible. In this system you will see a lot of the 8-9 man fronts in order to limit the number of gaps in the defense. In shootout if the D plays a 3-4 defense the offense can motion audible two RBs into DL gaps (or outside the DEs) and the defense with only one audible is like....huh? Now take a rule set like the mid-ohio where defense gets one more audible than the O makes (typically 3 pivots to 2 in favor of defense). In this case you never get caught with your pants down by having a massive hole on your defense because you have enough audibles to react. In this case, you may decide to play LB's with more depth to have beter angles during pivot audibles and if one TTCs these LBs can be disguised to play a short zone (just an example where you may want to play with more depth on defense). Also, any touch vs front of base tackling may require different strategies to stop the run.
__________________
"Ask not what the MFCA can do for you, but what you can do for the MFCA"
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-04-2010, 08:50 PM
jeff's Avatar
jeff jeff is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 3,673
Default

I like to have 4 strong defensive lineman that can hold up to a strong running game.
3 fast safeties that can close down on receivers and help out in the running game .
2-3 linebackers that can cover the tight end and run with the running backs , they also have to be able to help out in run support.
and last 2 very fast loopers that have to be able to give the qb less than 1 second to pass.
I forgot 3-4 great cover corners.
__________________
MID - OHIO WEBSITE
League play starts fall of 2010
http://midohiomfl.webs.com/

Last edited by jeff : 02-04-2010 at 09:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Shabby J's Avatar
Shabby J Shabby J is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Orange County , CA
Posts: 2,055
Default

A four man line you can bet the bank on, looping linebackers, cover corners that can handle their biz and a safety or two the can keep yardage to a minimum.
__________________
Coach Shabby J - MFCA Pacific West Region Rep
Casciolini & Luffeigh, Inc.

Los Angeles...making EF history for over a decade.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-05-2010, 06:39 AM
the french guy's Avatar
the french guy the french guy is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: south west of France, Europe
Posts: 2,743
Default

Quote:
I like to have 4 strong defensive lineman that can hold up to a strong running game.
3 fast safeties that can close down on receivers and help out in the running game .
2-3 linebackers that can cover the tight end and run with the running backs , they also have to be able to help out in run support.
and last 2 very fast loopers that have to be able to give the qb less than 1 second to pass.
I forgot 3-4 great cover corners.
4+3+3+2+4 = 16 ....that' s a powerfull defense squad I'm just joking, your advises are really usefull and interesting The defense play is the hardest thing to deal with when you're a beginner...In all the games I played, our defenses are weak. It's infuriating to keep the offense on their 40yards, and then see a 40yards pass because of the lack of a good defense
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-07-2010, 03:09 PM
RPD's Avatar
RPD RPD is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: texas
Posts: 671
Default

I play the following

3-3-5, meaning: 3 DL..2 loopers...1 strong LB...2 CB...2 safeties.. and 1 roving player which can be audibled to adjust to offensive audibles.


As you can see on the front line of defense I play 3 downlineman.2 loopers. 2 cornerbacks.. another CB to cover the slot reciever(8 defenders on line of scrimmage)..1 roving LB..2 safties. the roving LB can be adjusted to offset offensive audibles. This defense is what works for me. FYI- Your 3 downlineman need to be STRONG. Hope this helps.

PS: Word of advice, try to always play 2 safties!! if your opponent swings backs out in the flat, move them up and cover a zone about 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
__________________
RD "RAIDERNATION" DFW-RAIDERS

Last edited by RPD : 02-07-2010 at 03:14 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-09-2010, 12:17 PM
Coach K-LO's Avatar
Coach K-LO Coach K-LO is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SILVER SPRING
Posts: 5,383
Default very nice lineup

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD View Post
I play the following

3-3-5, meaning: 3 DL..2 loopers...1 strong LB...2 CB...2 safeties.. and 1 roving player which can be audibled to adjust to offensive audibles.


As you can see on the front line of defense I play 3 downlineman.2 loopers. 2 cornerbacks.. another CB to cover the slot reciever(8 defenders on line of scrimmage)..1 roving LB..2 safties. the roving LB can be adjusted to offset offensive audibles. This defense is what works for me. FYI- Your 3 downlineman need to be STRONG. Hope this helps.

PS: Word of advice, try to always play 2 safties!! if your opponent swings backs out in the flat, move them up and cover a zone about 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.

Straight to the point, RD
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-11-2011, 02:40 PM
detroitchild's Avatar
detroitchild detroitchild is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Metro Detroit area
Posts: 1,885
Default Bump

More great info from the past!
__________________
Follow us on Twitter @MFCA1
and Facebook on Miniature Football Coaches Association
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-17-2011, 04:22 PM
Coach K-LO's Avatar
Coach K-LO Coach K-LO is offline
MFCA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SILVER SPRING
Posts: 5,383
Default playbooks

as for other concepts on defense, there is a post to go to this site

http://fastandfuriousfootball.com

pull up any of these playbooks and get some knowledge!!!!!!!


i looked up the 1993 Oilers and what did I find - FOOTBALL GOLD - as I got to learn the 46 defense straight from Buddy!!!!!!!!!

if is more than X&O's ... it gives you the how/why for everything including foot placement!!!!

easy to follow and use on the mini field.......

k-lo
__________________
Everyone has a licence to tweak, but only few know how to win
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:33 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.