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detroitchild 11-22-2009 09:44 AM

I agree. FOB is more realistic to me. In addition, if o-line spacing is at least half a base apart then that makes for realistic holes in the line for both the running back AND linebacker to squeeze through. This is more conducive to FOB tackling then watching a locked scrum move up and down the field.


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Originally Posted by Electric Coach (Post 94078)
If a coach expects his or her defense to be successful in FOB tackling, he or she has to have well trained players that are set in the best position to make plays. That means the coach must know his or her players’ loop patterns. This doesn’t mean that a coach won’t have to make adjustments. In no way, does this mean a team will be perfect. I am saying that a soundly trained team will get those FOB tackles.

Maurice

The Electric Coach


the french guy 11-22-2009 10:41 AM

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I agree. FOB is more realistic to me. In addition, if o-line spacing is at least half a base apart then that makes for realistic holes in the line for both the running back AND linebacker to squeeze through. This is more conducive to FOB tackling then watching a locked scrum move up and down the field.

I agree, we play with one base width between each player position on the field, and 3yards minimal lenght between players alignements. So staking is not possible. Add FOB to that, and you see (in our beginner way of playing) a lot less not intented tackles ;)



EDIT : I suddenly wondered myself if we were speaking about the same thing :

for me the FOB tackling rule is that : the defensive player can ONLY tackle making a contact between his own front base side (and front corners) and anywhere on the offensive player base. In one word, the front of base and front corners of bases rule concerns ONLY the defensive player.

Do you agree with that ? :confused:

detroitchild 11-22-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by the french guy (Post 94084)
I agree, we play with one base width between each player position on the field, and 3yards minimal lenght between players alignements. So staking is not possible. Add FOB to that, and you see (in our beginner way of playing) a lot less not intented tackles ;)



EDIT : I suddenly wondered myself if we were speaking about the same thing :

for me the FOB tackling rule is that : the defensive player can ONLY tackle making a contact between his own front base side (and front corners) and anywhere on the offensive player base. In one word, the front of base and front corners of bases rule concerns ONLY the defensive player.

Do you agree with that ? :confused:

Yes Dmitri, that is what most of us are speaking of.

the french guy 11-22-2009 11:40 AM

OK, thank you Don, for a moment I was afraid that the FOB tackle rule concerned the front bases of both opponents...that would be tuff to tackle in that circumstances (= front base to front base only), I guess :D

Electric Coach 11-22-2009 12:17 PM

360 Degrees
 
Front of base tackling requires that the front of the defenders’ base must contact any part of the ball carrier’s base. An example would be the ball carrier’s base is hit on its side by the front of the defender’s base. Another example would be the ball carrier’s base is hit on its rear by the front of the defender’s base. Basically speaking, 360 degrees of the ball carrier’s base can be hit by the front of the defender’s base.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

the french guy 11-22-2009 01:09 PM

OK, it's just the way I play thmbsp$ and I like that rule !


thank you for the detailed explanation.

Butch Carter 11-22-2009 06:11 PM

I will tell you what I hate more than anything. My Olineman is engaged with a Dlineman head to head and my RB is going threw the hole and he is called down because the RB brushes the side of the Dlineman. Remember that the OL and DL are engaged head to head. COME ON MAN!!

sweetka 11-22-2009 06:54 PM

That's the whole point!
 
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Originally Posted by Butch Carter (Post 94105)
I will tell you what I hate more than anything. My Olineman is engaged with a Dlineman head to head and my RB is going threw the hole and he is called down because the RB brushes the side of the Dlineman. Remember that the OL and DL are engaged head to head. COME ON MAN!!

FOB rewards good line play. You have to train the OL to stay on the block and teach the DL to get off and expose as much of the base as possible. This is why any touch normally are not more physical than FOB. Just my 2 cents.

joel_p1 11-22-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Butch Carter (Post 94105)
I will tell you what I hate more than anything. My Olineman is engaged with a Dlineman head to head and my RB is going threw the hole and he is called down because the RB brushes the side of the Dlineman. Remember that the OL and DL are engaged head to head. COME ON MAN!!

Amen, I mean unless the D lineman has more than half of his base exposed I dont think this should be a tackle. If he is fully engaged then I say the O line got a good block. But if he is coming off the block then its like he shed the block and made the tackle. I guess this would make alot of controvery but some brushing the side of base is controversial also.mgngcrz

mantaraydre 11-23-2009 02:00 AM

THIS IS FROM A BOOK
 
COACHES,


This is from a book in regards to linebacker tackling.


A linebacker must adhere the fundamentals critical to proper tackling. As he approaches the ball carrier, he must lower his hip, come to a balanced position, and keep his head up, drive his helmet across the front of the ballcarriers numbers, wrap up with both hands and grab cloth. He must run through the ball carrier, keeping his feet moving until the ballcarrier is on the ground. A perfect tackle is rare, but linebackers must learn the fundamentals of proper tackling so they make individual tackles WITHOUT THE HELP FROM THE REST OF THE DEFENSE.
***How do we translate that on the miniature football circuit. LIKE ELECTRIC COACH SAID, "YOU MUST KNOW YOUR TEAM "


**WITH THAT SAID, COACHES WHO PRACTICE ALOT
How does an upcoming coach get to know his team properly ? So they can tackle the right way.


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