DIPLOMATIC TACKLING !!!! CAN WE TALK ?

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

Can we talk tackling in a diplomatic fashion. I would to hear many thoughts on this. I was prompted to write this beause i read somewhere(can't rememeber where) that some coaches are not good at F.O.B.( Front of base tackling).

***please explain what in the world does that mean !!!!!

ARE YOU SENDING YOUR DEFENSIVE PLAYERS ON THE RIGHT ANGLE TO CLOSE THE GAP AND MAKE THE TACKLE ?

It all depends on the distance your defender has to travel to make that tackle when you angle him. I was told in a certain league, some coaches would angle there defender exactly at the offensive player when the board is stopped during player adjustments, and the defender was a decent distance away. Well, that offensive is not going to be in that area when the board is turned back on, so why angle him there. I know the reason, some coaches feel there base are fast enough to hurry and make that tackle. But many times end up getting burned. ESPECIALLY AFTER A RECEIVER CATCHES A PASS IN THE OPEN FIELD.

In pro football and college, they spend alot of time on angle tackling. You hear announcers say many times, " oh, he took a bad angle and could not make they play". No matter what the distance, you must always think,
HEAD HIM OFF AT THE PAST !!! Like a stalker boxer trying to slow down a dancing boxer. CUT THE RING OFF SO THERE IS A SMALLER AREA TO FIGHT IN. DONT CHASE HIM AROUND THE RING.

same thing in football, ANGLE WHERE YOU FEEL THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER IS GOING TO END UP ACCORDING TO THE SPEED OF YOUR DEFENSIVE PLAYER.

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE :
We as a whole must begin to honor the broken tackle. There are only a zillion broken tackles during any football game because, that's football. There is nothing more annoying when a running backk is breaking through the line about to break one into the open field and a THE SIDE OF A DEFENDERS BASE GRAZES AGAINST THE RUNNING BACKS BASE AND WE CALL IT A TACKLE. That is not no tackle, THAT IS A BROKEN TACKLE. if it was the side of the defenders base, THE DEFENDERS WAS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT HIM. He was not squared up to make a tackle. He just happended to bump into him during the evening rushour.

Another scenario is when the offensive player runs into the back of the defensive player and we say thats a tackle. NO IT IS NOT. once again, the defender was facing/looking at the offensive player. THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER JUST HAPPENDED TO RUN UP BACK AND RAN HIM OVER. The board and play should continue on until the offensive player either breaks free or is REALLY TACKLED.

WHY HONOR THE BROKEN TACKLE :

1)To increase more exciting plays (Running backs breaking free for bigger gains)

2)To increase honorable stats. (It's time to see 1000 yard rushers across the country)

***ABC ( ANY BASE TACKLING) is similar to TOUCH football. Any initial touch and the play is over. Also, it is like quarterback play of today. Just grab him and the play is over. In all of football, you are taught to square up your shoulders and make the right tackle. I think they teach this to kids in sandlot/peewee football also. There are some coaches on this chatboard who coach outside of miniature football. Maybe they can explain/verify this. But for the miniature football coach. THE SQUARING UP OF SHOULDERS SHOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE BASE.

**The front of the base is that players eyes and shoulders in regards to FACING that offensive player to make the appropriate tackle. Three forms of square up tackling.

1) THE ENTIRE FRONT OFTHE BASE
This is a direct full contact tackle with both arms. Similar to a ray lewis swarm and take down.

2) THE FRONT LEFT CORNER OF THE BASE.
This will resemble a shoestring tackle similar to grabbing and ankle tripping up the offensive player. or grabbing a piece of his jersey to slow him up until you can get a good hold of him. ( NOT GRAZING WITH THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BASE WHERE THEY PLAYERS ARE SIDE BY SIDE. BUT ON A SLIGHT NOTICEABLE ANGLE FACING THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER.) If there is any question on the tackle, just look at the defensive player. Is he side by side, or angled in slightly towards the o-player.

3)THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER OF THE BASE
This will resemble a strong grip jersey pull down. ( ALL THE SAME APPLICATIONS AS # 2)


**THESE PLAYERS CAN'T SHUFFLE THERE FEET AND PUT A JUKE ON SOMEONE, BUT THEY CAN BREAK A TACKLE if we let them.

***WHAT LEAGUE'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY PLAYS FRONT OF BASE TACKLING.

***I honestly think many backs can rush for 1000 yards in a eight to ten game season around the league.


SOLITAIRE COACHES, The broken tackle will make your games more exciting !!!

THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[The Rookie]

Dre

I do not agree with you on this point.

I watched many football games today and saw many tackles where the defensive player made tackles not head on from the side .

I saw one runner run into the line and was tackled by his on lineman.

I saw a defensive player tackle a RB with his BACK!!

It happens, I could care less what people want to do in there leagues or tourniments that is there decision.

Just let me know before i play.

Just my thoughts

[mantaraydre]

just remember these figures can't twist their arms !!!

Did you read the

2) Front left corner of the base ?

3) Front right corner of the base ?




MANTARAYDRE

[The Rookie]

No I did not read all of your post .

I see more problems with looking for the front corners .

It seems to hard to get good refs who pay attention before this little hits

[Norbert Revels]

The greatlakes league has used FOB for the last 6 or 7 years now.

Norbert Revels

[5-13 Studios]

mid-ohio does fob (including front corners) on runs for the first 10 yards from scrimmage, then it is any touch after 10 yds. It is any touch always on qb runs, pass plays and special teams.

[the french guy]

Here we play with FOB tackle (including front corners tackles), essentially to make the running game easier.

Yes, easier because it was frustrating to see a defensive player randomly (blocked in a pile, for example) touching the RB with his back with no defense strategy reason : with FOB it happens less often

Without the FOB rule, if my running back run and hits (side or back) a defense figure, we were not happy with the fact the defense play didn't choose to touch the running back. No defensive intention, just luck. And we didn't find that realistic at all (when we see a real game, rushing and contact doesn't mean tackle for sure).

The FOB rule is easier to marshall too, I believe.


It's my newbie point of view I guess some "master coaches" will say the opposite, making their running play easier without FOB rule but with better tweaking and better strategy ?

mid-ohio does fob (including front corners) on runs for the first 10 yards from scrimmage, then it is any touch after 10 yds. It is any touch always on qb runs, pass plays and special teams.

is that rule used to make the passing play more difficult ? it's interesting, since I believe FOB is especially good for running play.

[RavennaAl]

I think FOB would make stacking the line almost mandatory. I prefer a more realistic looking style of play, where defenses use 4-3, 3-4 and 5-2 alignments. I have no problem with any touch and my teams seem to do just fine. Just what is it that you're looking for anyways? Do you want teams to constantly run 30+ yard TD runs? Or would you like more 10-14 play 80 yard TD drives? Where do you draw the line between running the ball and a defense stopping it? I wrote posts before asking that same question. There is a fine line between letting an offense run the ball and having a defense be able to stop it. I've had runs stopped before because the runner ran into the back of the defender. Yes, it's frustrating, but in the grand scheme of things, it all works out because I also have some big plays as well. It's all a matter of checks and balances.

[Electric Coach]

If a coach expects his or her defense to be successful in FOB tackling, he or she has to have well trained players that are set in the best position to make plays. That means the coach must know his or her players’ loop patterns. This doesn’t mean that a coach won’t have to make adjustments. In no way, does this mean a team will be perfect. I am saying that a soundly trained team will get those FOB tackles.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[Norbert Revels]

You don't have to stack on defense to stop the run at all when using FOB, as electric coach states, know your team and train them, I run 4-3's, 3-4's and 2-2's, as do others here.

P.S. In some leagues where they play anytouch, you can stack.




Norbert Revels