Favre
 

Well, there is a press conference scheduled at 11:30 or so. Childress to announce that Brett will not play. Of course, he'll say, "At this time Brett is not playing". Which means Brett could still play. Preseason hasn't even started.

So...........This is what Packer fans have put up with for years? So sorry!

No matter, I'll still root for Worthlesberger and the Steelers.

he said that last year.
 

i'm gonna wait until the first week of the regular season until i believe it.

...and one last question: is favre going to retire as a Packer?

Good question isn't?

please let me know

Benster from north of the border

You know he's still under contract and sometimes I wonder why they even put up with all the antics involving him. there are a lot of promising young quarterbacks in the league who could give the vikings a fighting chance to make it into the playoffs,just seems like a lot of hoopla over nothing!!!! It's time for the Vikings to trade for or draft a qb for the future and stop worrying about right now.$cch$

Favre
 

"Will he retire a Packer?"

Nope...at least not with the current admin/coach in play. He played a high-stakes game of media poker in the summer of 08 with them trying to finagle his way to the Vikes and there's too much bad blood with how he handled that.

"Will he go into the Hall of Fame as a Packer?"

Fortunately we never have to answer that. In football, it's just the bust of the unhelmeted man so there's no hat/uniform involved like there is in baseball.

"Is he retired this time?"

Yeah right. Brett has this incredible need to be "wanted". If he would've shown up as expected in a couple weeks then he would've done just what everybody thought he would. He'd also look a little bit lazy for not going through training camp like the rest of the guys.

This way, he floats out a couple "retirement" texts. He could easily squash things yes or no right now, but he loves this stuff so he lets it linger. People start talking about him again and he gets begged to come back. He also has the built-in excuse of "I knew I wasn't 100% with the ankle, but everyone wanted me to give it a shot" so he thinks he doesn't look bad.

Great player on the field (except for curious decision making in key post-season situations) but a definite tool off the field. Leadership is getting in there with the troops and setting the example not trying to create your own rule set.

This time, though, I think he'll unretire after the Saints game. I don't think he wants to face a Gregg Williams defense again as they beat the snot out of him (which is now the book on how to beat Favre...hit him often and even late in the first few quarters and watch him get edgy later)

As a lifelong Vikings fan...
 

I would have settled for a Donovan McNabb, with a Tim Tebow in the draft. I loved Tebow at that position and I felt the Vikes should have done what they could to try to draft this guy.

Many do not like Tebow but one thing you never have to worry about with this kid is character issues. I think McNabb would have done well in Minnesota, the right fit for the time left in his career.

The funny thing about the Favre thing is we were just sitting around a few days earlier talking about the antics of Brett Favre and how you get SO, SO, SO tired of the Favre soap opera.

If he leaves, he leaves the Vikes with QBs who can not compete on a high school level (IMO). Not a T. Jackson fan or Rosenfales fan. All they can hope is that a good backup becomes available when rosters are cut down. But yes, another prima donna athlete who wants the world to beg him.

Please leave Brett and turn the light off behind you.

Reginald
Viking Fan since 1968

Once again
 

Brett's looking for attention. Forget him and move on.

Cut Him Some Slack Guys....
 

Come on,cut the guy some slack.You've got to
realize, that it's got to be hard on ANYONE who's
given 20 + years of their life to something they love,
to come to an easy decision on walking away ( retiring)
I'm sure he has mixed emotions and it seems it's
getting the best of him.He's human,just like the
rest of us.It can't be easy for him.
His mind says STAY but his body says LEAVE.
The guy has a BIG heart when it comes to this
game and it's been his life for a long time.That
is hard to walk away from.I don't care who you
are.So instead of bashing the guy, cut him some
slack,because whether you like him or not ,he has
given us ALL some great memories.
Personally, I hope he comes back for one more
season,atleast.On his worst,most confused day,he's
still better than BOTH the Vikes back-ups put together.
Plus, we owe the Saints one.They didn't beat the Vikings
back in January,the Vikings beat themselves.You Saints
fans know this is true.......But still,I Congratulate the
Saints and their fans on their Super Bowl win.
> Come on back for one more "run" Brett...... <

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

One more year Brett
 

I for one wanna see him come back not only this year but maybe a couple more. He's the last of positive roll models ! So what , he retires every year but that's it. If that's the worst thing the NFL has to deal with , oh my ! Lets look at all the PEDs , dog fighting , gambling , steroid users ..... and the list goes on and on ! Brett has been with the same wife ever since they were in high school , of course , they didn't marry till he was in college. A great father to his kids and his community. NFL , when Brett does retire , the league will never be the same. I could go on and on but I'll cut it here !

He's no better than T.O or Ochoa
 

He just wants the attn like Tom said. Just say you want to play, but don't want to do the camp........I"m sure nobody will object?

But all this retirement stuff is stupid.


Nat'l

"Sources Said"
 

that he was retiring. All he actualy said was he was considering it. But we all know that he does that constantly. The media wanted to make this into a story.

I know he procrastinates his decisions (as long as possible), and that he definitely hurt his credibility when he actually did retire (twice). But, I think a part of those were political to get out of the situations he was in. Not that it was the right way to handle things, but I would bet there is alot more behind the scenes we don't know about.

I have been a Favre fan since he was first drafted. I wish he had finished his career in Green Bay, but I am more a fan of his than the Packers. Every year I rank the teams from those I like the most to the least, and I was a little surprised how much my ranking of the Vikings and Packers actually changed when he made that move.

I do wish that if he is going to play he would show up for training camp. I think it would help how he is percieved and his legacy alot. I think missing it on purpose sets a bad example for players/younger people. That is one thing I don't like at all. However, I guess if he can get away with missing it, and he still performs the way he did last year, then who can blame him.

I keep hoping he could retire with another Super bowl win, but I have a fear that it will end up being a decisive injury that puts this all to rest.

I guess we will just have to wait and see for the next month or so.

Double Standards ???????.......
 

I'm just wondering if the same bunch that are bitching and
moaning about Favres issues with retirement cried as loud
and hard when Michael Jordan went thru his indecision periods.??????
I'm guessing NOT ! And I don't want to hear it was different for
this or that reason (s). Indecision is indecision.Sounds like
double standards to me.But I'm not suprised........

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

Chris you must be crazy
 

Don't mention Favre and Jordan in the same sentence...........

Jordan retired, and came back a few times. This is not the issue here. Favre is trippin'. Either say you will be back or not. They even have commericials clowinin' the way Favre goes back & forth.

Hell, Sugar Ray Leonard did the back and forth thing, but nowhere near the area code of what your Mr. Perfect QB is doing. He is old news. The Packers are better with #12, and as soon as the Vikes put some faith in the guys they have the better off they will be!!!!!

Nat'l

Favre doesn't believe he needs to attend training camp or play pre-season games. He always has an injury or retirement issues to use to avoid both...


He is also a self-centered jerk and enjoys the media kissing his behind....


A great player....a HOF'er, but lacking some in the class department. Minnesota got what they paid for last year. The old man cost them a trip to the show.

Double Standard......
 

Corey,
You just answered my question about Jordan's
indecision episodes.Jordan couldn't make up
his mind either.It is EXACTLY the same issue.
Just so you know and so you don't get your panties
in a bigger bunch than they're already in,I'm in no
way bad-mouthing Jordan.Great athlete.Arguably
the greatest basketball player EVER,but he is still
human and had his moments of indecision.Nothing
to be ashamed of.( for either of them ).Like I said before,
it's tuff walking away from the game/job you've had
and loved for so long.
The guy is FAR from perfect.None of them are or
were.Not Favre.Not Jordan.Not Montana.Not Unitas...
NONE of them.But ,they are all human and therefore
imperfect.Making mistakes and having moments of
indecision are all part of this.We are all guilty of these
traits.That's life and it ain't perfect..........

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

Blame the media
 

Favre is the way he is because the sports media has made him feel that he is the best thing since sliced bread. He is maybe the most over-rated QB of all-time. Yes, he holds numerous records, and has been a dynamic player for years. But as a QB, it is your job, not only to win games with your arm from time to time, but also to NOT lose games for your team. Favre has single-handedly lost many games for his teams over the years. For the life of me, I cannot understand how the QB that has thrown more picks than any other in the history of the NFL, can be considered top-5 all-time. That's like saying the point guard with the most turnovers of all-time is better than Magic Johnson. It's ridiculous.

I can name at least 20 Qb's I would rather have under center than Favre. Some are not even in the HOF (Stabler, for one).

If the media would stop swinging from this guy's sack, maybe he would just go away. By the way, Childress is just showing the whole league why he will never win--he is swinging on the sack, just like the media.

Favre
 

Chris, you know I respect you and your opinion. You're one of my favorite guys in the hobby! I think we all can agree that Favre is a lightning rod. No one will deny he's an elite QB and proof was in the pudding last year when he ran the west coast offense in MN exactly the way it was supposed to...great year and beat my Packers twice.

That said, this whole "will I retire, won't I" has honestly been in play every season since 2002. Each season it gets progressively more about Brett and less about the team. It is not unfair for a team that's paying you 10-20 million dollars to ask for a reasonable deadline so they have contingency plans. All reports from GB talk about how upset Favre was when they drafted Rodgers and how he never would go out of his way at all to help him (compared to other positions where the vets are great to the young guys)...yet if he looked in the mirror, GB had to be prepared for the day when his "will I play or won't I play" ended up in an answer of "no." He brought that draft pick on himself by his behavior the previous few summers.

Now you have a team that could've gone hard after McNabb (after all Childress coached him in Philly), could've gone after Jason Campbell, could've drafted a QB, etc...but they're held hostage by Favre and his indecision.

What galls me most about him is how he tries to play the victim. He really wants to be begged to play and he'll make all the excuses about his biceps, shoulder and this year it's ankle. He could squash all speculation and say, "on this date I'll have a decision - it will be after training camp breaks, etc" but instead he lets things linger because I honestly believe he likes to hear the chatter and thinks that maybe that will tip things one way or the other in his mind.

A guy like Peyton Manning is working with the new WR draft picks the day after the draft because he wants them to be as familiar with the Colts way...whereas a guy like Toby Gearhart will be forced to adapt to the Favre way if and when Brett comes in with 2 weeks to go until the season.

There's a huge difference with how Peyton goes about his business off the field compared to Brett. They're both amazing on the field, but one guy is a leader 365 days a year and the other is only one on Sundays.

Great post Tom--about the most thoughtful thing I've read on this board in a LONG time.ppls$

To Play or Not To play,That Is the Question.....
 

Tom,
Nobody more than myself would like to know
if he's going to play or retire.I understand the
frustration folks are going through watching
and waiting for Favre to decide.I'm at the top
of the list,but I also understand his mind-set.
As I've said,it's tuff to just walk away from the
game you know and love when you think you
can still contribute.It's a hard decision and he
is having a difficult time deciding.That's NO REASON
to bad-mouth the guy,is all I'm saying.
It's true.Soon he'll have to decide,one way or the other.
It's really not fair to the team or fans to have to
wait "forever" ( as it seems to some) but it's also not
fair for the Non- Farve fans to bash him as hard as
they do.He's going through some,in my opinion,
emotional times,and should be accorded some common
courtesy as a human being..Just my opinions.
Some guys just don't get any slack and some get it ALL.
I just hope he comes back for one more season.Win,lose
or draw.I'd prefer win ( Super Bowl) .....LOL I know that
comment will get some replies.......LOL

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

Integrity
 

is not the word to use for Favre. As much as I root for him. I know his actions have reduced his credibility. But, he gets away with what ever he has done, so he is not 100% to blame. I agree with Tom that Peyton Manning is the definition of inegrity. His work ethic is probably the best in any field.

It was said above that there are other QB's who could come in and take his place, but there is some reason the teams put up with his issues, which would imply that he has something to offer that others don't.

Ultimately, we are having a multiple page thread about him, so like him or hate him, we still care enough about the subject to engage in it. Think of all the people who could do the same thing and we would not even care.

My Last Comments On The Subject ( I think).......
 

Guys,
I'm not condoning nor am I crazy about what
Favre is doing.I understand,hurry up and make-up
your mind.Let us know one way or the other.
But I've said it several times and this is the last time
I'll say it ,"It's got to be hard to walk away from
the only thing you've ever done " He's played
football for what,30 years or so.I'm going back
to his first game as a kid.It's all he knows.
Football IS his blood,like so many others that
play or have or will play the game.Trying to
come to a final decision has got to be bitter-sweet.
Hard to quit but maybe it's time.Only he knows'
for sure but is having a hard time grasping the answer.
I just say,don't put the guy down for trying to figure
out where his life is heading.Just wait until some of
you guys reach that time in your life.It's going to be tuff
on some of you to walk away.Some ,maybe not.You
say now,Oh I can't wait.I won't have any problems
walking away.As I said,some yes;some no.Either way,
you shouldn't be criticized -in a negative light,for
trying to come up with the right decision.That's all I'm saying.
This is all I have to say about Brett Favre,except,
like him or not,he's given us some great moments/
memories in his career.Some not so great too.But
with the good comes the bad.

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

Chris
 

from one Marine to another.....Semper Fi Devil Dog!

Let reiterate what my fellow Cowboy fan said....
 

It is the media - ESPN - that your beef is with.

I dont agree with Chris, BUT, his view is how we should all be viewing it had ESPN not FULLY covered and swung from the $*ck of Brett ALL OF THESE YEARS. Reporting what he felt like having for lunch and all the other tweeted nonsense is not news at all, but rather ESPN keeping the story alive.
20 years ago, we would all view it the way Chris Stacey does because we didnt have this overflow of media ALL AROUND US (ESPN).

What kills me though about that network is, now some of their own are ACTING like they are fed up with the story as well. Just like them to flip the aura as they see it fitting the general public.

Same with A-Rod being STUCK on 599 home runs because EVERY AT BAT he had, espn broke away from regular programming to cover it. THEN!!!!, when he did crack the 600 club, they immediately run a line of questions about how it doesnt mean much anymore in the steroid age.

ITS THE MEDIA GUYS - ESPN - Let Brett be a punk in the privacy of his farm. Only the Vikes and their fans have to put up with his indecisions,
not us.

You know Hoop, you and I have not always agreed when it comes to Packers or Cowboys discussions....but, I am with you on this one.

We'll see, it's a new year.

Gotta love the stalls! thmbsp$