Rules Question
 

It is the last play in the game. It is overtime. The offense and defense calls set. They run the board. It is a pass. The offense goes to pass and suddenly points out that they ( the offense ) have three guys in the endzone. The play meanwhile is from midfield going the other way. So they are not in play so to speak but they are on the field and not on the sideline. What do you call ?

The play will determine the winner if the pass is completed.

RS

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Dead play
 

Ok, Remember the circumstances.
Is the game over ?

Does the offense get another play ?

RS

Rules Question
 

The game is over ... the penatly was on the offense ... the game can not end only if the penatly is on the defense. I hope this helps

MC

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Ed, Ed, Ed
 

R U still upset about that last play at last year's SWB? Would you like me to post the video for a Booth Review? LMK. :D

Clarification
 

Inquiring minds get to know answers to questions. I think if more rules questions are made that people will understand the rulings better than taking them personally. In other words, and informed mind is better than an opinionated one.
As far as the SWB or any other tournament is concerned, it would be great if people posted about rules that they don't understand or ones they would like clarified before they go the next time. I would not want to have an idea in my mind that certain rules should be taken one way when really I am wrong all along.
Ours should be an informed group rather then a group of opinions.
In the case I mentioned, the game would be over as far as I am concerned. Any rule I have researched does not mention an offensive penalty being a reason for another play when it comes to the half or end of the game. All the rule sets I have read only mention that a game can't end on a defensive penalty.

I think that this forum is the best place to ask as we have so many that want each other to know and respect the rules we play by and not be upset when we don't understand them.

So unless someone else responds differently, the game is over.

RS

Just Desserts...
 

It really didn't affect the play, BUT there were 5 extra guys in the field of play when the pass was completed and it wasn't until the defense made their adjustments toward the WR that I saw them. Had it been me, I probably would've just let you take them off the board - no harm, no foul. Some guys play differently. Maybe I should've stepped up and said something. Sorry. The winner of that game faced Adrian and then me, so I guess I owe you a game in June, eh? :cool:

Not about me
 

When a game is played, and over, we should accept the result. Sometimes a call is wrong, sometimes a call is based on info that is not understood. This post is not about me or who I played or wanting anything but clarity of that ruling for the future of the game.
It was a few years ago the Giants had a bad call go against them in a crucial game. It was a few days later when the NFL said they made the wrong call. It did not reverse the game but it made the officials aware of their obvious effect on the fairness of play. I am a G-man fan but it is too early for me to remember the facts. Other fans of football in general will remember the game.
It is not even about who made the call. It is about me understanding the rules. I believe they are our common ground. Opinions about them , how they were understood , can divide us. How do I educate myself on the rules if when I read them I see a call going one way and everyone else sees it going another way. I just happened to not understand. If I get my info from an opinion, all I do is expand that persons opinion.
In the NFL the officials have a lot of schooling, experience, and it is their area of knowledge that is suppose to be their specialty. Now, how many times have we all seen a bad call. ???? The people all protest , but the call stands, and they come back to the next game and go through it again. It is part of the game.
They don't spend hundreds of their own money, put aside a weekend to enjoy fellowship and fair game play like we do. We should expect nothing but the highest attempt to make the play fair for everyone. We have no officials, no officials school, but we do have this open forum. In my opinion it would be good if the posts about rules like this one, who have their origin in an actual play, not be taken as a bitch session about that play. No one will post their questions and no one will learn. They just won't put aside that money to make that trip. It should be about learning. I am actually learning.
I thought the play was over but apparently I have a lot to learn about the rules.

Way, way too much typing and thinking without my second cup of coffee.

Now, on to the world that this hobby helps me cope with. You know the one with rising fuel costs, rising unemployment, higher taxes, and free agency.
David Carr is hanging with the Giants for two days. I don't even know what to think about him signing. That is another thread for another message board.



RS

Just my opinion...
 

House rules definetely supercede football rules but for the sake of arguement lets say that there was no house rule on this and the judement call was made on the fly, is this fair?

NFL rules state that in overtime or regulation if an offensive team obtains a penalty on a play that wins the game for the offensive team the penalty is then enforced and the play is redone.

If an offensive penalty occurs in overtime or regulation under 2 minutes and the offensive team has no timeouts there is a 10 second runoff. Therefore, if there were 8 seconds in the game the game would have been over.

With that said...If there were to many players on the field on the offensive side of the ball that is "to many men in the huddle". That is a pre snap penalty and a 10 second runoff if there are no timeouts. However, I don't know how you can call the game over if it is already an untimed down.

Furthermore, because the play was allowed to go on and not enforced presnap and the result of the play was that the offensive team won the football the initial statement of this post should have been enforced with the penalty being enforced and the play being redone.

However, it is house rules and you live & die by them. However, I do think it is important that as many rules are clarified as possible. So keep the questions coming guys. It helps everyone!


Mike Robertson

.02 worth
 

in most tounaments, rule clarifacation is very important and should be balanced so that nether side gains an advantage.

in your example, one or two things should happen

1) - since it was not discovered until after the pass was completed then it was up to the defense to either say "redue" the play or pull them off and continue the play.

2) call the penalty and move the offensive team back the required yards and replay the down.