EF Trivia: Why is it easier for a Coach to credit your bases...how much they think..

[GrandMasterKC]

you $$$$$spent on them...and it is all good( ) to even credit the tweakers Much respect to you all(Master Tweakers) thanks for elevating all of our games .....but they never seem to credit the Coaching staff even if some of your talent is straight from your training camp? WHY?

[MplsTom]

My thought is that unless you are playing straight "bully ball" with the FB and QB surrounding the RB and going for a straight "scrum run" (very un-innovative) and depending on the strength of your bases alone, you are definitely doing some serious coaching in this game.

I've only faced 2 opponents that have done that successfully...both were stronger than me and both won. I give them credit as the strategy worked...but I view those as having the better tweak job at least on offense. Those coaches, even with those bases, still had to play strong defense.

My team is a mixture of my own stuff and tweakers. I ask that the lineman only be able to hold the point of attack...I'm not looking for something to shove...just to avoid the bully ball game as it bores me. From there I love to coach against anyone...let the strategy begin.

There are many guys in this hobby who have the top of the line bases but still aren't taking home every piece of hardware. There definitely is a strong element of coaching that takes place in every game and hopefully credit will be given where credit is due.

[GrandMasterKC]

you must have in order to even "compete" on their level? What if you run and pass but will use the run if you can....keep in mind inorder to get a win you MUST play "DEFENSE"....so the power "bullie" theory will not work if you play a passer with fast wr's? You keep the game close and you win mor often that losing...perhaps because of skill level maturity? Just kicking it ot there had a conversation with a Coach at The "Bash" on this topic...it is not personal...just to stimulate thought.

Originally Posted by MplsTom

My thought is that unless you are playing straight "bully ball" with the FB and QB surrounding the RB and going for a straight "scrum run" (very un-innovative) and depending on the strength of your bases alone, you are definitely doing some serious coaching in this game.

I've only faced 2 opponents that have done that successfully...both were stronger than me and both won. I give them credit as the strategy worked...but I view those as having the better tweak job at least on offense. Those coaches, even with those bases, still had to play strong defense.

My team is a mixture of my own stuff and tweakers. I ask that the lineman only be able to hold the point of attack...I'm not looking for something to shove...just to avoid the bully ball game as it bores me. From there I love to coach against anyone...let the strategy begin.

There are many guys in this hobby who have the top of the line bases but still aren't taking home every piece of hardware. There definitely is a strong element of coaching that takes place in every game and hopefully credit will be given where credit is due.

[Coach K-LO]

to answer the question..... it's bases that drive this hobby on the field!

If you tweaked up the base right in front of someone, they will still be skepical even though they saw you do it from start to finish!

As for getting coaches' credit for a good gameplan etc - you have to do more than just "pound" the rock or "pluck birds out the sky" to gain reconition for your coaching prowess.....

if you are a running team but use your QB as a lead blocker and/or main ball carrier then you would get a lesser grade than a coach who is a runner that does not use the QB at all in the running game.......

just the nature of the beast

there are other examples, but you get my point.......

[MplsTom]

It's interesting. I'm not picking on Norbert here because I think he's an excellent coach and great tweaker.

I've played him 3 times and each time I would dare say that he's had the stronger team. Each time I've come out on top, yet when people talk about top coaches in the hobby, seldom is my name mentioned. This hobby is based somewhat on big tournament results (of which I only have a Bash title but have made 4 finals and countless other semifinals but have a winning or 500 record against Chalmers, Pratt, Raiderman, etc) and tweaking reputation.

In our games, I don't think Norbert would say I'm being arrogant when I say that he and I coached at a similar level. I don't think he'd say it was all luck or anything as I don't remember a kickoff return TD or anything in our games. He's an excellent coach and has the hardware to prove it but I also think I'm being honest, not cocky, when I say that I believe I can go toe to toe with him.

Did I have bases that were good enough to compete with him...sure. Some were even his (and many were mine). But when I later played Adrian in the semi-finals, one of his first comments to me was, "How the heck did you beat Norb with no strength?"

The topic strikes a nerve with me as I've heard the whispers because the bases on my squad are not 100% mine...but then I try to go back to the quote of Teddy Roosevelt where he gives credit to the guys that are in there coaching it up, tournament after tournament like yourself Karim and many other worthy guys:

It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

[GrandMasterKC]

Thanks for shedding light on this and please keep it comming

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by MplsTom

It's interesting. I'm not picking on Norbert here because I think he's an excellent coach and great tweaker.

I've played him 3 times and each time I would dare say that he's had the stronger team. Each time I've come out on top, yet when people talk about top coaches in the hobby, seldom is my name mentioned. This hobby is based somewhat on big tournament results (of which I only have a Bash title but have made 4 finals and countless other semifinals but have a winning or 500 record against Chalmers, Pratt, Raiderman, etc) and tweaking reputation.

In our games, I don't think Norbert would say I'm being arrogant when I say that he and I coached at a similar level. I don't think he'd say it was all luck or anything as I don't remember a kickoff return TD or anything in our games. He's an excellent coach and has the hardware to prove it but I also think I'm being honest, not cocky, when I say that I believe I can go toe to toe with him.

Did I have bases that were good enough to compete with him...sure. Some were even his (and many were mine). But when I later played Adrian in the semi-finals, one of his first comments to me was, "How the heck did you beat Norb with no strength?"

The topic strikes a nerve with me as I've heard the whispers because the bases on my squad are not 100% mine...but then I try to go back to the quote of Teddy Roosevelt where he gives credit to the guys that are in there coaching it up, tournament after tournament like yourself Karim and many other worthy guys:

It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

Tom,
I have never heard you mention the name LANCE WILLIAMS........??????



Geno H