Is the Hobby to large to play one way????

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by TheTweakFreak

In the most simple terms, I have to agree that the hobby is too big to play only one way. If you have but two people that play and those two do not choose to play exactly the same way all of the time then ONE (solitaire) is the magic number. In solitaire we are free to play exactly as we wish. And on a larger scale, I like and embrace the fact that our diversities (playing styles, preferences, etc.) are a plus, NOT a minus. It would be a very boring world (and hobby) if we all saw things in the exact same way.

Personally, I think the hobby is anything but big in any way concerning numbers. If anything, it is not nearly big enough. I also believe it is not enough to stop at "is the hobby too big to play one way?" We need to acknowledge that it is rarely, if ever, played the exact same way from one season to the next by any one group. Or solitaire for that matter. No matter how we choose to play the seasons of today, I'll bet most will adopt new wrinkles by or before the seasons of tomorrow. It is a fluid situation in almost every instance. Solitaire, leagues or tournaments, almost all make changes along the way. Some work out. Others do not. In short, I am not aware of any "one way" to play that has not changed in the slightest bit over time. And if a way has changed in the least bit then it is not that same "one way." It is then "another way." I.E., different.

So, yes. I am in agreement. The hobby is too big to play only just one way. One way today, a different way tomorrow. If only slightly different. Over time the slight differences will add up and equal a lot different.

-Mike Pratt

Pratt makes a great point! I have been in the same league for a few years and EVERY year we add or tweak some of the rules for the new season. Reason for the changes is because of variations to the rules where it did not "fit" the league standard or to clean up a 'grey area'

...I quit my solitaire league several years ago! The head guy kept changin' all the rules!!! Not even season to season, he would change from game to game and sometimes even play to play. He said he wanted to "better simulate the REAL game!" What a crock. That guy should win an Emmy for all the crap he concocted - or would that make him an Iron Chef or something. Whatever! I should look him up, I'm getting bored NOT playing. At least he's better than nothing. Come to think of it, he did have some really cool ideas.

[WEIRDWOLF]

Hey Jimbo, I 've met that guy before....it's best to stay away from him. Just keep doing what your doing.

Originally Posted by JIMBO

...I quit my solitaire league several years ago! The head guy kept changin' all the rules!!! Not even season to season, he would change from game to game and sometimes even play to play. He said he wanted to "better simulate the REAL game!" What a crock. That guy should win an Emmy for all the crap he concocted - or would that make him an Iron Chef or something. Whatever! I should look him up, I'm getting bored NOT playing. At least he's better than nothing. Come to think of it, he did have some really cool ideas.

[Anthony D Burgess]

WOW !!! That has been mt main point. This is the key reason why this hobby is the way that it is.

The reason why the rule is is very important. So many men play it off and say that this is it, or that is that, and placing it under the flag of there is no wrong way to play.

Well there is in fact a wrong waya , and that ways is one that is unbalanced. When rules change to please others, or to stop someone from winning then it is a good chance that the reason behind the rules are not fair, and neither is the man behind the rules.

The integrity of the game is more important than making people happy with rules that are likable rather than fair. !

Originally Posted by JIMBO

...I quit my solitaire league several years ago! The head guy kept changin' all the rules!!! Not even season to season, he would change from game to game and sometimes even play to play. He said he wanted to "better simulate the REAL game!" What a crock. That guy should win an Emmy for all the crap he concocted - or would that make him an Iron Chef or something. Whatever! I should look him up, I'm getting bored NOT playing. At least he's better than nothing. Come to think of it, he did have some really cool ideas.

Jimbo & WW - I too have run into the solitaire rules tyrant. Although the rules do tend to remain consistent for an entire season. I seem to have a totally different problem under that solitaire regime. I consider myself a respectable coach but no matter how much time I put in to improve, I can't seem get get my win/loss record above 500. Who do I see about that? Any suggestions?? Anyone???

-Mike Pratt

First off, why is it that every other week this same topic comes up in some form or another? I can say and be reasonably sure with statement that the hobby is too big, too many egos involved and to much cliquiness (is that a real word? Well, for this application it is.). Everyone always shoots me down when I say this about the cliques but I am going to prove it after seeing the responses to a post on the miggle. But later for that. Just like every conference in the NCAA has a different set of rules I think it is ok to have different rulesets. It is easy to say as some are quick to do "well, if they don't like it then they can just not play." But let's look at it in this perspective. Let's just hypothisize and say everyone agrees on this "one way" theory. And the ball is in motion everything is going well. The WORLD ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey wait a minute. I think that passes that deflect off of receivers and hit D-backs should be picks. There isn't anything about that in here. Guy #2-I think we should not be able to use custom figures. Guy #3 - I think we suould be able to use boiled bases. All 3 guys well "I'm not playing". The WAEF "FINE". The three guys say "I know let's make our own orginization. Get a bunch of guys and make our own set of rules as a national standard." Thus, the UNIVERSAL ASSOCAITION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey, wait a minute... It will always go on and on and my question is what would make one orginization better than the other as the "OFFICIAL STANDARD" of electric football? What would making an "OFFFICIAL STANDARD" Of electric football really do to "advance/better" the game? These are the questions that need to be answered.

I like playing with the strategy divider once in a while, or playing where you have to have actual splits on the o-line instead of "maul ball" all of the time. The differences is what makes this game special.

As long as you have so many different leagues then you will always have a lot of different ways to play and I think that is good. As for tourneys then you are always going to have different sets of rules that is the nature of that beast.

Just my coupla' pennies.

[Anthony D Burgess]

You right, very right. May be the hobby is not the issue, but the men that play it !

Saying you don't like something, then tell us why in a logical manner. But most don't have a logical reason why they don't like something other then it will take away there little advantage. And none of it has any thing to do with football.

Originally Posted by THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP

First off, why is it that every other week this same topic comes up in some form or another? I can say and be reasonably sure with statement that the hobby is too big, too many egos involved and to much cliquiness (is that a real word? Well, for this application it is.). Everyone always shoots me down when I say this about the cliques but I am going to prove it after seeing the responses to a post on the miggle. But later for that. Just like every conference in the NCAA has a different set of rules I think it is ok to have different rulesets. It is easy to say as some are quick to do "well, if they don't like it then they can just not play." But let's look at it in this perspective. Let's just hypothisize and say everyone agrees on this "one way" theory. And the ball is in motion everything is going well. The WORLD ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey wait a minute. I think that passes that deflect off of receivers and hit D-backs should be picks. There isn't anything about that in here. Guy #2-I think we should not be able to use custom figures. Guy #3 - I think we suould be able to use boiled bases. All 3 guys well "I'm not playing". The WAEF "FINE". The three guys say "I know let's make our own orginization. Get a bunch of guys and make our own set of rules as a national standard." Thus, the UNIVERSAL ASSOCAITION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey, wait a minute... It will always go on and on and my question is what would make one orginization better than the other as the "OFFICIAL STANDARD" of electric football? What would making an "OFFFICIAL STANDARD" Of electric football really do to "advance/better" the game? These are the questions that need to be answered.

I like playing with the strategy divider once in a while, or playing where you have to have actual splits on the o-line instead of "maul ball" all of the time. The differences is what makes this game special.

As long as you have so many different leagues then you will always have a lot of different ways to play and I think that is good. As for tourneys then you are always going to have different sets of rules that is the nature of that beast.

Just my coupla' pennies.

Originally Posted by THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP

First off, why is it that every other week this same topic comes up in some form or another? I can say and be reasonably sure with statement that the hobby is too big, too many egos involved and to much cliquiness (is that a real word? Well, for this application it is.). Everyone always shoots me down when I say this about the cliques but I am going to prove it after seeing the responses to a post on the miggle. But later for that. Just like every conference in the NCAA has a different set of rules I think it is ok to have different rulesets. It is easy to say as some are quick to do "well, if they don't like it then they can just not play." But let's look at it in this perspective. Let's just hypothisize and say everyone agrees on this "one way" theory. And the ball is in motion everything is going well. The WORLD ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey wait a minute. I think that passes that deflect off of receivers and hit D-backs should be picks. There isn't anything about that in here. Guy #2-I think we should not be able to use custom figures. Guy #3 - I think we suould be able to use boiled bases. All 3 guys well "I'm not playing". The WAEF "FINE". The three guys say "I know let's make our own orginization. Get a bunch of guys and make our own set of rules as a national standard." Thus, the UNIVERSAL ASSOCAITION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey, wait a minute... It will always go on and on and my question is what would make one orginization better than the other as the "OFFICIAL STANDARD" of electric football? What would making an "OFFFICIAL STANDARD" Of electric football really do to "advance/better" the game? These are the questions that need to be answered.

I like playing with the strategy divider once in a while, or playing where you have to have actual splits on the o-line instead of "maul ball" all of the time. The differences is what makes this game special.

As long as you have so many different leagues then you will always have a lot of different ways to play and I think that is good. As for tourneys then you are always going to have different sets of rules that is the nature of that beast.

Just my coupla' pennies.

Dre... I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on a myriad of subjects. I'll hit ya up tonight. If I can't get ya, I'll try again Sunday evening.

Peace,

Don Smith

I have to work tonight. Anytime tomorrow or Sunday would be fine. I hope all is well with you and the family. How's my boy?

The family is fine, and D.C. is doing well at ND. He's studing hard because he has exams coming up before his Christmas break. He'll be home in 2 weeks and staying for about a month. Thanks a lot for asking Bro.

Since you're working tonight I'll have to hit you on Sunday because I'll be outta town Saturday. I also hope all is well with you and your family.

Take care,

Don