Is the Hobby to large to play one way????

I think it truely comes down to this....YES ...IT IS TO LARGE TO PLAY ONE WAY!

One set of rules for the beginner.

One set of rules for the advanced.

If I had a dime for every time I herd...." well why do we play like that"....lets face it guys...The game will NEVER CHANGE.....only ones INTERPRETATION WILL. You still have to line up the same way and RELY ON THE BASES. Sure making the game more real is great...I'm all for that....But it is what it is....A GAME!...

Take the game of chess for example.....

You cant expect a beginner to play a advanced player...they would lose within the first 5 moves...Is it because his pieces look better...NO...is it because he has a better understanding of the game....maybe....is it because he is more experianced at the game....YES

If you take a poll and ask how many people have been playing some type of electric football over the past 30 or so years, I bet my life on just about 95 % will say they have been playing with their own style in one form or another.

The style in which most tournaments are basicly set for the advanced player, not the beginner. Most leagues are set for the advanced player...thats why the rules have been modified, created, adjusted...what ever you call it. lets face it....The more one gets exposed in playing, the more one wants to change the rules. Is that a bad thing...NO...it shows how the game and hobby has advanced.

The first set of rules that were out there other then what Miggle had was RULES 2000.....and that was made from a group of guys that wanted to make the game more real because they were advanced in the game, NOT TO BELITTLE MIGGLE. They just wanted more out of the game. I for one, would love to see a advanced version of this to fit the current style of play.

Someone will always complain about this or that...thats why there are choices out there. If you dont like it one way...play another way! Lets just be thankfull there are many different ways to play period. But lets not shoot each others methods down. We need to find a happy medium and go from there.

By the way....WHAT IS the current name for the tournament style of rules? I beleave 3 out of 4 of the biggest tournaments are using the same style format, just with different styles of bases and figures are permitted. The backbone of rules are basicly the same.

just my thoughts........and they dont mean to offend anyone.
coach STONER

Originally Posted by Ray F

BTW- if the Brawl was to hold an after hours players tournament sporting the teams from the U.S. military academies, we can call it the “War Room Rumble.” Ray F./Manhattan Ray/Mr. Unity 2006

Ray... War Room Rumble sounds really good. Thanks for the suggestion.

Originally Posted by coach STONER

I beleave 3 out of 4 of the biggest tournaments are using the same style format, just with different styles of bases and figures are permitted. The backbone of rules are basicly the same.

Stoney... I agree your entire post 100%. The last couple lines spoke volumes. After reading posts, some of the new people in our hobby have come to believe that this game is being played a hundred different ways, and that rules and equipment change from person to person. When that's hardly the case. I'm going to start a new thread explaining this.

Originally Posted by WallyJ

Guys,

Interesting post and replys. Their are several challenges that will not let this happen.

1) A persons comfort level with the style of play and their willingness to go outside this comfort level.

2) Rules that are put in place to either cover up a weakness in the their game.

3) Rules that are put in place to maximize the strength in their game.

4) Ego's

Most of this could all be overcome if Miggle produced a detailed rule book. Which would outline the playing this great game. Unfortunately they are not capable in doing so. Which is sad to say.

Wally

p.s. Old School, I love your quote... it speaks volumes on the issues in electric football

Wally, (First let me say) Thanks for coming back to the EF scene and posting again. We appreciate you sharing your thoughts and insights. I also agree with your post, but I think that the points you make are the way things use to be in our hobby instead of how they are now. Many guys in this hobby travel to play in different tournaments and some guys travel to play in leagues outside of their backyard. As Coach Stoner alluded to... the backbone of rules are basically the same. So Wally, my question is: "If rules, comfort levels, and how we're playing isn't the problem... what's the real problem?"

Just my thoughts,

OldSchool

Originally Posted by WallyJ

p.s. Old School, I love your quote... it speaks volumes on the issues in electric football

Wally... That quote is the KEY to what the real problem is around here.

Peace,

Don

[Anthony D Burgess]

What is needed in the hobby is to have 3 classes .

1: Traditional, 2: Modern, 3: Simulation !

This is the starting point for the future of this hobby. We need to start hear,.......................and now !

Wally, (First let me say) Thanks for coming back to the EF scene and posting again. We appreciate you sharing your thoughts and insights. I also agree with your post, but I think that the points you make are the way things use to be in our hobby instead of how they are now. Many guys in this hobby travel to play in different tournaments and some guys travel to play in leagues outside of their backyard. As Coach Stoner alluded to... the backbone of rules are basically the same. So Wally, my question is: "If rules, comfort levels, and how we're playing isn't the problem... what's the real problem?"

Just my thoughts,

OldSchool[/quote]


OldSchool,

Thanks for the compliment. I've never really been away, I just went back to playing solitare. And every so often reading the forums.

To answer your question your quote says it all! Politics and certain individuals driving agenda's that are not in the best interest of electric football.

Somewhat like what we see in the real political arena. For example, I'm a Democrate and because you're a Republican you solution is all wrong. Even though the solution makes perfect sense. Just because your a Republican I have to say that.

Wally