please explain illegal formations in the NFL AND MINIATURE FOOTBALL

[Anthony D Burgess]

Man I love talking football

Hey TV'sChaChi

When you place a player on a magnet, it has the same effect as turnning the TTC base to run around in a circle. It all so ands the eliment of holding to the game.

The player going around in a circle is what the public remembers about the game and is why the game is not respected now.

But I'm like you in that I run plays every day. I learn how to defend them, I learn how to camouflage them etc.

[Anthony D Burgess]

Jimbo, I think it is illegal touching of a forward pass if it hit a linman. ? I'm not suer but I think that is what it is.

Also if there are 2 forward passes on the same play. Throwing forward to a player behind the line and that player throwing a pass.

Yep! Ur right! Same difference, tho. Illegal all the same!

[Anthony D Burgess]

It would be of great benefit to all if you experts can break down to the MF community, what all of our options are in getting a detailed playbook together. I think every coach should have some form of a playbook under arm at each game trying to run their sets. See the above link for Interactive Playbooks or check out Madden's Playbooks! Or watch/record your team on TV and run their playbook, noting which plays are used in different downs and distances

Jimbo

Jimbo I think that this is a good idea, but there must first be a direction on how you want to play this game.

You can't pick and choose what eliments you want to use. Your either playing the old school way were the eliments of actual football don't apply, or your going to play it as a actual football simulation game were all the essential eliment of the game apply.

I have been asking this questions for years, and no one wants to answer it. This leads back to the fail safe responce of, ( there is no right or wrong way of playing ) If this hobby is to advance to the next level and gain the respect every one want's it to have we must draw the line and start to answer this question.

[Anthony D Burgess]

I went to the link and love it. You see that the player have an assignment on the play as to who they are to block.

They understand what there job is and then they have to go get it done. They recat to what takes place .

These plays can and are often run in my system just as you see it hear.

You must understand who blocks who on each play, see what the players see's and react to it.

Thanks Jimbo

[5-13 Studios]

in a formation, you must have both of your tackles (end linemen) "covered". this means having a receiver or tight end on the line. no more, and no less than 7 men may be on the line. every other player must be at least 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage (in nfl rules). you may have multiple wr's on one side of the line (trips formation), but only one is allowed on the line of sscrimmage.

confused yet?

[Reginald Rutledge]

the DFW rulebook or coaches in the DFW League if this is a league specific question.

One of the things you will find in our rulebook is not only does it contains more than 100 pages (which I think is very important) but the information is very logical and created by me. I've played football, coached, and officiated on different levels and I have the mind of an engineer so what I write is pretty consistent with the logic of football.

It is a disrespect to our league when guys say "No disrepect to that league about knowing the rules" but don't get it twisted, I certainly take great pride in knowing and writing rule books. Unfortunately these are still plastic men who have to be placed on the line of scrimmage but the 7 on the line is an elementary concept that we can definitely go over when you come to Texas.

I just get tired of guys in a back-handed manner slamming what others perceive football to be. It just makes me sick sometimes!

Reg

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


Can i put a TE on both sides of the line and not put any wr's on the line ?


!) swing pass to the running back, if the ball is on the 25 yard line and the qb drops back to pass, at what point can i hit the running coming out iof the backfield ? Does he have to cross the 25 yard line or can i hit him before he gets there ?

2) Quick out pass to a slot receceiver, at what point (exact yardline) can i throw a quick out thats legal ? 1) dropping back to pass 2) in the shotgun ?

3) qb in the shotgun position, the runningbacks are lets say a yard ahead of him or right next to him, at what point can i throw it to the running backs coming out of the backfield ?

4) can two tight ends line up right next to each other ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE


Also, Have you seen when a qb drops back then swings it out to the running, isn't the running behind the line of scrimmage ? This is where im getting coonfused. I use to see Montana hit Rathman all the time coming out of the backfield. Im just trying to figure out how to run that in miniaturefootball.

Is it impossible to run a running back to receiver reverse behind the line of scrim ? ala santana moss !

[5-13 Studios]

absolutely, i forget what that formation is called.

1)check with your league
2)checkwith your league
3)check with your league
4)as long as they are not both on the line of scrimmage at the same time, i don't see why not.

in big people ball (as opposed to miniature ball), there is only 1 forward pass allowed per play, and no forward passes are allowed beyond the line of scrimmage. other than that, the ball cn be thrown just about anywhere, just not to a lineman. as far as recreating that, in our league you are allowed to adjust the receiver after the pass is completed, so one could run a back towards the sideline to help set up this sort of a play.

[Anthony D Burgess]

All are very good question, but I believe that checking with your league is not really a viable answer as many leagues don't clearly address this. No desrespect to any league.

Yes you can put a TE on both sides, you can have 3 TE, one on one sideand two on the other with the one TE lined up in the back field.

1)A swing Pass: Throwing to a receiver when he is open should be the limit. Setting a limit on whem you can pass to a receiver is like playing football with a blindfold on.

2)Quick Pass: The slant ! Again this should be done when the WR is open and this type of play is based on timing.

3)QB Shotgun:This is design to get the QB away from the pass rush and give him more time to make his reads. His reads tell him were to go with the ball.

4)Yes answer in in #1

In order to perform these types of play you can't limit the games ability. If the defense puts pressure on the QB that will force him to, 1 buy time by moving, 2 go to another WR, 3 throw the ball away, 4 take the sack.

But when you give one chance to do any of the above then the you place a restriction on the proper function of football.

Reaction: Being able to react opens up the door to perform all these eliments. Think of it like this. You have a car, but you put the club on the steering wheel and drive someplace, your going to limit the performace of the car.
But with out the club on the steering wheel you're unlocking all the abilities of the car. A good friend told me that.

When you place a limit on the ability of playing football then you hender the ability to run actual football plays.

1) Snap od the ball this sets you're offensive blocking, and the defense countering, while the QB strats his reads.
2) QB eithers hands the ball off, passes, or sets in the pocket to allow his receiver to get open. Defense counters
3) Sure up the protection, pass to the open receiver, roll out to guy time if needed, delayed hand off (draw). Defense counters
4) Every thing is breaking down at this point, advantages is leaning to the defense QB must, throw, or run. Last chacne. Defense counters.

Without this you will never achieve the full potential of playing real football with minatures. This is the chess match that makes the game play like it does move and counter move.

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

COACHES,


Can i put a TE on both sides of the line and not put any wr's on the line ?


!) swing pass to the running back, if the ball is on the 25 yard line and the qb drops back to pass, at what point can i hit the running coming out iof the backfield ? Does he have to cross the 25 yard line or can i hit him before he gets there ?

2) Quick out pass to a slot receceiver, at what point (exact yardline) can i throw a quick out thats legal ? 1) dropping back to pass 2) in the shotgun ?

3) qb in the shotgun position, the runningbacks are lets say a yard ahead of him or right next to him, at what point can i throw it to the running backs coming out of the backfield ?

4) can two tight ends line up right next to each other ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE


Also, Have you seen when a qb drops back then swings it out to the running, isn't the running behind the line of scrimmage ? This is where im getting coonfused. I use to see Montana hit Rathman all the time coming out of the backfield. Im just trying to figure out how to run that in miniaturefootball.

Is it impossible to run a running back to receiver reverse behind the line of scrim ? ala santana moss !