Are The Day's Of Playing 3.2 Slowly Becoming A Pastime.

You know, who's right? Whos Wrong? Everyone is right....Sure I like the 4.0 guys but I dont dislike the 3.2 rule. Everyones leauge is what it is, and what they make it...and that would be right. I think the players move faster at 4.0 but I still think players move fast at 3.2. The main reason that I like the bigger figures is because that it gives you more of a choice....I love custom figures, and I love what everyone is doing to get the hobby out in the public....It was because I feel upon Reg's page that I got back in the hobby after a 25 year lay off. I'm not knocking the fab five but they bored me.....I do like the customs that are 3.2 or smaller as well.....Anyway, point is...no one is right or wrong...Doesnt matter who you are or what leauge you're in...your RIGHT!!! 3.2 - 4.0....just numbers.....

[sweetka]

The reason that we employ 3.2 is that most new members are not looking to customize or spend heavily. They ease into the hobby. I do remember, when the bases were made with cheaper and cheaper plastic, that we added weight to make out teams run smoother. So I really understand the difference.

Boiling bases is another choice we work around because people got tired of the awful smell, short shelf life during boiling. Add the fact that tweaking is just as effective with longer lasting results, then you have our position.

I'm not knocking no ones preferences but we leave no coach behind.

The numbers speak for themselves.

And we customize!

[kotixblack]

Originally Posted by sweetka

Boiling bases is another choice we work around because people got tired of the awful smell, short shelf life during boiling. Add the fact that tweaking is just as effective with longer lasting results, then you have our position.



And we customize!

If tweaking is just as effective wilth longer lasting results then, why is boiling so tabu? I don't know about others, but I still have to tweak my bases after boiling them. I am not familiar with an overwhelming bad smell associated with boild bases. Other than the smell, I would think that boiling would be up to each individual coach. Also, I'm just an advocate of not banning a particular practice just because I don't like it or use it. I think each coach should be able to utilize his strengths as long as it is within the rule set. I used to boil for power and strength, but with the advent of new equipment, I more so boil for speed and smoother running men. Ken, you and many others witnessed me tweaking a unboiled proline, and making it stronger than one of my strongest boiled players at the convention in Chicago, when the Prolines first came out (Klingbeil asked how did u do that, & I gave a demo). That is why you would be suprised to find out which positions have boild bases on my squad. I feel you on some of the pains, trials, and tribulations of trying to boil for strength. I have purchased up to 10 packs of bases to find 3 out of 222 to make the Offensive/Defensive Line, LB or TE. Far too much work. In building my teams today, I find maybe 45%-50% of them to have boiled bases on them. I just don't want to loose the option.

[WolverineFan]

The thing is it is not just weight that wins games.It is also coaching and talent per team.rjackson I would take Norbort,JIM Davis and Ken Allens 3.2 against your 4.0 team any day.Those three are the strongest but best skill teams around.They are all very skilled and good coached teams.

I do still like the 3.2 myself but do think that most leagues and tourrneys are opening up to new products and is great.I will just play with the rules per each game and bring what I got.

[Norbert Revels]

Bring your 4.0 team, we can have a nice little quiet game alone in my room, remember youngfella, all 3.2 teams are not the same.

Wally, nobodys upset or over reacting my friend, I love both, and to be honest, our own 4.0 league itself starts in 2 months, I'm in the beginning stages of building them now.

After reading here and in different post that 4.0 and higher weights run better, I just wanted to show that 3.2 is a beautiful weight to play also, thats all, either or is fine.

Norbert Revels
Thee,......32 Counter Trap

[sweetka]

Great to put a face to the name. You hit it on the head. In a competitive league, like our season two, not only did people boil for strength here was the number difference:

Jets Avg Weight 5.6

Giants Avg. Weight 3.4

Now, the coach ran a snow job and he was declared the winner for two reasons:

1. We said boiled
2. The disparity wasn't addressed early enough. I beat the guy earlier in the season so he went back and got bigger, right after a trip to the West Coast.

What I know really happened was this guy had connections and had large molds made of his best bases. The plastic from several bases was boiled into one. I swear his base reeds were as strong as a normal base. I am still ********ed because it ruined my perfect season. However, by tweaking standard bases you can still get the "boil" effect without the boil.

Our philosophy is based on lessons we learn in a highly competitive environment. Therefore, tweaking stock and making weigh assures that the best coach wins.

Mark played in our league this year, for a minute.

Hope to see you at the convention.

I played 7 games in the LAEFL, and I was NOT convinced that boilers were any stronger or faster than highly tweaked bases of the same weight. In fact, in trying to tweak bases to be as strong as boilers I (A) improved my own personal skills and (B) began to use less boilers so that my team would be able to compete elsewhere.

I think as long as the weight limit is the same for both teams, it would then come down to coaching, and boiling becomes a non-issue. I liked our rule out on the Left Coast: "3.3 is 3.3!"

Chuck, I wouldn't write a check that Norbert, Ken and Big Jim can't cash! Personally seeing ALL 4 aforementioned coaches play, my money's on RJ's 4.0 squad. In fact, I got $5 on it. Let RJ's 4.0 team play either Norb, Ken or Jim's 3.2 squad. No boilers. We can get that game scheduled right now if yous want! I'll put it on my undercard at The SWB or we can do it at Miggle.

DISCLAIMER: Above is an attempt to collect a debt that Mr. Chuck Lawrence incurred on behalf of one Mr. Norbert Revels, one Mr. Ken Allen, and one Mr. Jim Davis. As sole instigator to the offended, Mr. Robert "RJ" Jackson, it is in the best interest of this hobby to schedule and play this game in the very near future, in order to settle the debate: "Which is better: 3.2 or 4.0? And Why?" The winner will have bragging rights for up to 364 days within such timeframe he, the winner, must defend his title.

[Kansas Bill]

Well shoot... even the NHFL went to 3.3...
Mainly cuz even some of Miggles standard TTC's that have been around forever can come in at over 1.2 (w/ a 2.0 figure)...

I think we're at 3.3 in the Tornado Alley..

The thing is.. I wouldn't necessarily call 3.2 to 4.0 "progress"... It's just a different way to play.. Which equals more options.. and options are a good thing..

I enjoyed the 3.2 NHFL/Tornado Alley.. the 3.3 Tornado Alley.. and I'm looking forward to getting BACK into the groove of things and planting my arse in Dallas/Ft. Worth for a shootout and a team tipping the scales at 4.0.. It's all good.

[Norbert Revels]

But remember, and it is true, you saw all play, but what you saw was tournament teams, which is based on more speed (ATT), League teams, (smile) I think are alittle different.

P.S. I think this would be fun, we can do this at Miggle, it would have to be friday night though, I would like to take my shot at him 1st.

Norbert Revels
Thee,.....32 Counter Trap,......even if they stack,.......with Thor at FB.

Norbert,

You are right there is nothing wrong with 3.2. And I know that you and the GLEFL crew know how to make them run!

Ken,

Thanks for the insight... isn't there always somebody looking for a loophole in the rules. Yes, we met in Philadelphia... a while back.

Wally