Weight 3.2,4.0 or unlimited, which do u prefer?

[Michigan Joe]

AMEN on the board performance. So...look what boards that new (uninformed) people entering the hobby are buying. I for one wasted a lot of money on equipment that don't come close to the level of performance as custom boards etc. How much do people have to spend to figure it out? Its a shame really.

Jimbo- I'm with you, I fully support the "local flavors"... that being play under the rules where you go.

Norbert- I apologize if I misrepresented the traditional 3.2 standard in any way by discussing my opinon of the weighted performance, it was never my intention. I think I've commented that the heavier players run better and I feel I should clarify that. I should have stated that IN MY EXPERIENCE heavier weights (and in particular a heavier base with lower center of gravity) are inherently more balanced and run smoother and with more directional accuracy with far LESS TWEAKING required. I stand by this as this is my personal experience. Now having said that, when the time is put as RD acknowledges (with good tweaking) I completely agree that a sub 3g figure performs absolutely splendid! You are a true "master tweaker" and I can say with first hand knowledge that your players perform on a level that is amazing- after all meeting you more than a year ago and seeing the game played at such a high level was one of the biggest reasons I pursued the hobby further. I simply answered the question that the thread asked, and that is that I prefer weighted because I like the way the players (on average) perform on any board. In fact I'll take it a step further and say that I believe that a heavier base (2.0g+) design would greatly inhance the game. You know what though, my My Mike Hart is under 3.0 and untweaked and he's brilliant (and I aint changing him)!

[Michigan Joe]

Scott,
I just read your post, and I share your sentiments of compromise and all inclusiveness. That to me is the most important thing to take out of a discussion like this.
Joe

[Electric Coach]

Has anyone ever thought about playing varied weights at different years? An example would be, this year’s tournament will be 3.2g. Next years tournament will be 3.6g; the year after that 4.0g will be the tournament weight. This way coaches will get the chance to play on all levels if they choose.

As far as newcomers are concerned, allow them to play where they feel comfortable. This hobby is moving ahead. We don’t have time or the luxury to slow down. For the newcomer it’s like jumping on to a train pulling out of the station.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[rjackson]

........I have competed in leagues with 3.3 and 4.0. I prefer the 4.0 weight. Everybody is talking about this weight and that weight but if you can coach it doesn't matter what weight you are competing at. I know Broncoman personally and this is no shot at him but that dude doesn't like change.

I know what he does like for sure is a slow field so he can see the pressure coming, which to me is Horse ----, but that's his way of competing. The 4.0 gameplay let's you jack that board speed up without losing the performance of the athlete.

[Coach Rip]

If tweaked properly one doesn't have to have the board screaming to experience a faster paced game.

[Electric Coach]

Correct me if I am wrong. Is this discussion about weight or board speed? Regardless of the speed at which the board is at, the heavier team is going to push the lighter team backwards. If a complete 4.0 team plays against a complete 3.2 team, the 3.2 team will get pushed backwards whether the board is fast or slow. That push will be most evident at the line of scrimmage.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[rjackson]

.......which weight do you prefer??? Coach Rip I understand what you are saying but everyone in the DFWEFL can tweak bases, please don't get the weight desire of 4.0 confused with us not being able to tweak bases!! We would love for you to join us for the TSO labor day weekend. I am pretty sure it is a lot of us in the DFWEFL that would like to get some of that tail!!!

We know it would be a learning curve for you with the fast paced game that we play but we will put on kid gloves for you!! BTW leave the STICKS at HOME if you join us!!!!

[Coach Rip]

I am a big advocate of BuzzBall's Pass Simulation version of using the sticks, does not mean I don't know how use the TTQB...

However, since time is a precious commodity to me, I choose not to build 10 different teams for 10 different styles of play, I'll stay baseline no-weight..... I'm not out to prove my manhood. just to have fun and be somewhat competitive.

electric coach, I agree all "other" things being equal, the heavier team should push the lighter team........ which is why we have weigh ins at BuzzFest for the standard no-weight division....and if one thinks about it, staying within the confines of the rules will be an opportunity to get more out what one already has, instead of adding more of this and more of that.

Some have asked me why my new DDB base comes in at 1.3, .................and why I didn't scale it down, .........I talked with Kansas Bill about this as he jumped through hoops to get the f-5 down, he told me to keep what I have don't spend the extra thousands of $$......AND the facts are, the hobby size doesn't justify the extra expense to knock of a 10th of a gram of weight when someone can do it themselves at home IF they choose, ....just like the meegle remakes of the current over sized original 67 Big men figures. sand a little of the bottom platform, and EASY on the paint and clear coat and you will be fine.