Eric & Dave's Open Run College Tourney...web page is up

[kotixblack]

Originally Posted by JIMBO

...the Option Rules, E!!! I shared with RR how I do it when he asked, but I don't know how YOU and DAVE are gonna do it. Also, some College idiosyncracies gotta be written in - or should be written in to give it its flare - such as:

1. 3 RBs in the backfield i.e. Fullhouse, Wishbone, Maryland I, etc.
2. WR with 2 corners still inbounds can be thrown to.
3. Ballcarrier may not advance when he falls. This rule should really change for our Pro games! Let him get up and let the Defense adjust!
4. 2PAT is from the 3yd line.
5. OT is one possession each from the 25yd line. If still tied alternate until one team outscores the other with equal possessions.
6. Hashmarks are WIIIIIDDDDEEEE!!!

Jimbo,
I appreciate your willingness to help out with this tourney. You will definitely be getting a call from me. You have given some great suggestions. We still have to work out the QB Option. I'm excited to play college rules. After scrimmaging you (Jimbo) using the wide hashmarks, definitely gave the game a different feel than playing pro. We will actually be playing college football...instead of playing the same old way, just with teams painted in college uniforms.

[Hook'em Horns]

Glad you got the registration fee! I'll register today! Hey Jimbo great job! I was just speaking with Reg on this the other day. I thought that it would be important to generate a rule set that would give us the college feel of things. Allowing us to run 3 backs in the backfield, the option and the option read. The rules definetly have to be tweaked for this. One of our concerns was that we didn't want to take away the intensity of the TSO rules and from what I can see, multiple stops will have to be implimeneted in order to accomodate an option and option read offense. I have a great option read play that I created with the Longhorns but it is a multi stop play and takes a bit of time which slows the game down a little. We definetly need to create a committee for the CBSMF rules so that these things can be hammered out!

I also like the idea of the receiver with 1 foot in rule that you thought of! BRILLIANT!!! The only problem with that is that most sets aren't large enough and have very little out of bounds space. Therefore, theoretically you're always going to be eligible. The playing surface needs to have a large enough out of bounds space that would allow the receiver to actually go completely out of bounds in order for this rule to work I think.

I'm excited though and with Reg and Jimbo's ideas coupled with the help of Eric & Dave, I know the country is about to be set fire with the emergence of our college leagues and tournaments.

[Reginald Rutledge]

but the option has not been finalized. I was waiting on Steve Martin and Greg Hardmon to show their video on it. I liked Jimbo's interpretation alot because it did not look like it had much time taken away from the play. He did a fullback read but that option showed 4 possible scenarios.

1: Fullback Handoff
2: QB keeper
3. Tailback pitch
4: QB dropback

I guess I am concerned with the option in that time factors are important. What if a team utilizes the option on every play? He will not be able to get in as many plays as in pro set formations from the college ranks.

Another rule that was to be considered was one that Beenutt and I had discussed. I'll wait for more information on that.

But the rules are pretty much set now. I think we've had about 5-6 rules added to give flava to this. But the basic foundation is there but before the rules can be written completely, we need that information.

Reginald

[Hook'em Horns]

Three are some teams that run the option every play in college football. I know we are playing MF but if we're trying to add that element then somehow we have to try and impliment. College games don't seem to get in as many plays as the pro's anyhow. Especially when ball control teams are playing, i.e. teams that run the ball 90% of the time (option teams). Etc. I'm all for the welfare of the ruleset and the league but I'd really like to feel the college flavor. Will reverse plays be allowed? there is so much more trickery in the college game than in the pr leagues. Every game won't feature option teams and on those games we will very well be able to reach almost 100 plays. Just my opinion.

[kotixblack]

Mike!
Dave Campbell & I tried your idea for the option over the weekend, and it seemed to have worked. We ran it with the QB and 2 backs in the backfield (no full house backfield). On the option, the offense has 7 seconds to alert the defense of his intentions (whether or not he will pitch, or the QB will keep the ball). The defense can then adjust all un-engaged players, then the O will tell the D whether the QB will keep the ball, or pitch to an eligible RB ( RB must be beside, or behind the QB, & 3-5yds within the QB to receive the pitch).

If the offensive coach fails to alert the defense to adjust for the option within 7 seconds, then the D can adjust automatically, then again after a completed pass, & again after the receiver has gone 10 yds beyond the los. By giving the offense 7 seconds to decide whether or not to pitch, pass, or scramble puts pressure on the O to decide quickly, or give the D multiple opportunities to make adjustments. The adjustment scenarios are: (1) the offense tells the D to adjust within 7 seconds…the D knows that either the QB will keep, or pitch to the RB, so the D adjusts accordingly (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, the D can adjust again). (2) The offense fails to tell the D to adjust with in 7 seconds…the D adjusts for the option…if the offense decides to pass, and the pass is completed, the D adjusts again (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, the D can adjust again). I agree with doing it this way because it is consistent with the TSO Rules, and the D still only gets to move one man on the audible.

[Reginald Rutledge]

Yall know this style puts pressure on the D but we also know we like scoring in this style.

The question of 2-1, 3-1, 3-2, 4-2, should definitely be looked at. Colleges score at great clips so we do want to keep the exciting element of scoring.

Yall need to table this also with the Big 10 Commissioner (Greg Hardmon) and Morgan (Big East) and maybe Geno. I think Beenutt is cool with whatever decision on the option and Biglock is as well but I have not discussed this with Geno.

Reginald

correct me if I'm wrong E...

The adjustment scenarios are: (1) the offense tells the D to adjust within 7 seconds…the D knows that either the QB will keep, or pitch to the RB, so the D adjusts accordingly (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, the D can adjust again). (2) The offense fails to tell the D to adjust with in 7 seconds…the D adjusts for the option…if the offense decides to pass, and the pass is completed, the D adjusts again (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, the D can adjust again). I agree with doing it this way because it is consistent with the TSO Rules, and the D still only gets to move one man on the audible.

I understood what we did as this: (I added my additions in red)

The adjustment scenarios are: (1) the offense either calls the receiver and throws the ball or tells the D to adjust within 7 seconds…the D knows that either the QB will keep, pitch to the RB, or still possibly pass, so the D adjusts accordingly (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, the D can adjust again). (2) The offense fails to tell the D to adjust with in 7 seconds…the D adjusts for the option…if the offense decides to pass, and the pass is completed, the D adjusts again, if the pass is completed (If the ball is advanced 10yds pass the los, on a pitch or QB keeper, not on a completed pass, the D can adjust again).

Reg, RJ nothing has been set in stone, we are still open to other scenarios. But I have to say that this one works well, was fun to play and it is consistent with the TSO ruleset. We want to try to get these rules nailed down in time for us to play them at the next Open Run and so coaches can have at least a month practice them. We still want to hear from the other coaches with option rules and coaches with input on the wishbone as it pertains to the TSO ruleset.

DMC

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

Yall know this style puts pressure on the D but we also know we like scoring in this style.

The question of 2-1, 3-1, 3-2, 4-2, should definitely be looked at. Colleges score at great clips so we do want to keep the exciting element of scoring.

Yall need to table this also with the Big 10 Commissioner (Greg Hardmon) and Morgan (Big East) and maybe Geno. I think Beenutt is cool with whatever decision on the option and Biglock is as well but I have not discussed this with Geno.

Reginald

Coaches,
Count BIG 12 in on this as it "IS" college ball. You guys are all over it...down to minor details now. I am with Mike on the passing portion.

Geno H

BIG 12 Commish

You cats have some great ideas! Ya'll getting me pumped!

Reg, where are you with the wishbone, right now is it included or excluded. If included how many adjustments does the D get?

Mike, I like your idea about not being able to angle the defensive man that takes the QB on the pitch...its like real college football...the QB gets blown up on the pitch! What if we just said that the closest defensive man to the QB can not be angled as opposed to the one designated to defend the QB. My reasoning is so the defensive coach can't point out some other guy away from the play as his guy designated for the QB and then angle the guy right there to make the tackle.

Also I have an additional suggestion to the half back pass...You said use the third string passer, Eric suggested that the defense provide a passer. My suggestion would be that tournament officials provide an "artificial QB" for everyone to use on halfback passes. My reasoning is so the Offensive coach can't lie about the passer being his third string and the Defensive coach can't provide a junk QB that he knows throws way to the left.

I probably sound paranoid...but I'm just trying to remove any areas where guys can cheat.

Great ideas, keep them coming!

DMC

[Hook'em Horns]

Great Question! Here is how I see it! We are trying to make this thing as realistic as possible right? Here is the best scenario I think...

On option plays the option side DB normally gets locked up man 2 man with the receiver and is taught to fight off the block and take the pitch man while the safety picks up the receiver. Well in EFL the defense is going to have to decide weather to bring the safety up to take the pitch man and possibly get burned deep or bring the safety up as if to attack the pitch man and fall back into coverage.

With this scenario you would angle all unengaged players on defense once the board is stopped to make the pitch. However, the decision to pitch comes after the defensive adjustments and then after 10 yards the defense would get a second adjustment.

here is the reason why you do it this way. Well coached players are coached to stick with their assignments and/or make a decision and stick with that decision. The QB normally makes his decision to pitch or run after the defense has committed one way or the other. This gives you the "ball fake" effect, you only need one stop and it doesn't take any extra time. If you run your defense right, under this format the option will have the same success rate as a sweep around end under the TSO stye rules it will just give you the triple threat option of pitching, passing or running opposed to just running the sweep outright.

This scenario allows the defense the absolute best way to defend the option. while still giving the option a realistic chance to be successful!

However, because of the audible the defense will not be able to load to one side to protect option left because if I audible to option right under this style of play the defense only gets one move. Very tricky but very doable!