Eric & Dave's Open Run College Tourney...web page is up

[kotixblack]

Mike,
I think it is just like a QB Scramble when the D gets to adjust, then the O gets to scan the field field just as it will be with the option. I don't think 7 seconds will give a huge advantage to the O. The O must take into account the adjustments made by the Defense, therefore the advantage gained is minimal. I think you were correct in pointing out that the 7 seconds for adjustments by the Defense should not be taken before the 20 sec clock is activated, but it should start when the set stops for the option, pass, or QB keeper. I think it is up to the D to make their adjustments quickly due to the running clock, and as you pointed out...not giving xtra time for the O to pick them apart. I think David & I initially wanted to give the D 7 seconds to adjust before the pass clock was started, but you pointed out that the O should be on the clock when the set is stoped.

[Ned Flanders]

I agree that the pass should be part of the option play. I just think that once the board stops and the offense doesn't pass and the defense adjusts, the pass should be off the table at that point. It keeps things simple, and as Mike says, it prevents the offense from finding a receiver after the fact (while the defense is adjusting).

Not a big deal, just my opinion. It'll be good either way.

[Hook'em Horns]

On the scramble rule normally 2 things happen the offense is either trying to get a better angle on a receiver or he is heavily pressured by the defense and he wants to scramble away from them. Both scenarios allow for the board to be turn on & then off a second time to make a pass attempt or a decision to run.

On the option after the defensive adjustment their is no more stoppages of the board until contact, unless its a pitch or run then after 10 yards the board stops for the defensive adjustment.

Here is why it wouldn't work the other way. Most people when pressured don't see all the receivers. Lets say for instance...

The option play starts. I run to the left and stop the set. The pass clock starts...20, 19, 18, 17. My intent was yo pass because the pitch man looks liike he will be tackled and I don't have a good read on the swooper to QB keep it. I spot an open receiver but I can't find my TTQB. At this time, I tell the the defense to adjust which will stop the clock at about 12 seconds. Now the defense has time to adjust. Now, while the time is ticking on the defense I have located my TTQB and have had time to gather myself and get in position to make the pass all before the defense time runs out. now my 12 seconds begin and I'm composed and I hit the pass.

Now in reality what QB has that kind of time? We must keep the pressure on the QB. Remember, he is running the option. A play that generally runs into the teeth of the defense. Very little time to make a decision. It should be a pressure pass!

Besides the defense normally needs more than 7 seconds for an adjustment. When you're turning dials 7 seconds is not enough time. We use 20 in the DFW league.

Just my thoughts!

[kotixblack]

I think I see what you guys are saying.
Ned & Mike, you're both saying that if you don't call your receiver when you stop the board initially, then the QB must keep the ball, or pitch it to an open RB. He is not allowed to pass. Correct? I hear you both loud and clear. Reg is right, we need to show a video. By showing a visual, it is easier to show why we do things a certain way. When David & I scrimmaged doing things the way we have been describing in these posts, there was no unfair advantage. Actually the set had to be stoped so quickly, due to the defensive pursuit, there were very few choices when it came to passing. Mike, & Ned, why don't you guys run some plays using the option, and tell me what you come up with...run the option with and without the opportunity to pass the ball after the pass clock is stoped. LMK, interested in what you guys find.

[Hook'em Horns]

I don't have access to video or cam. So I can't post my findings. However, I've run it thousands of ways already that is how I was able to come up with the origina scenario.

I will be in LA Thursday the 11th. 2 nights before the College tourney. I can show you guys then what I'm talking about!

[Reginald Rutledge]

to do some videoing of this in Virginia this weekend. I will be his guinea pig and he can just run it on me. We will put it on film and show it later.

Reg

This sucks! I wrote a long reply and lost it all! No time to rewrite it now. I will say that I am now leaning towards not being able to throw after the defense angles on the option.

Great points from everyone.