4.0 Weight Limit

[Geno H]

Can you say G.I. JOE?...............



Geno H

[mozeek]

It all boils down to choices and you can play at any weight you would like to....and I do not feel as though anyone really has a problem with this weight limit it is just that they have chosen to play at whatever weight they enjoy. I have played games in an unlimited weight format, 3.4...3.2 and now 4.0....I truly cannot say that one is better than the other but i enjoy them all ....and believe it or not the styles don't really make a difference either.....it was at one time all about fun....but for some reason it doesn't end up that way.....and like everyone else here on this chat forum....I will play under any format and any weight that i choose and for the most part will enjoy doing it.....

Somewhere on this forum things got screwed up....we have this forum to educate and build this hobby...yet it seems this has been a tool at times to divide us...hopefully one day we will wake up and realize that this is a hobby and just a small part of our everyday lives...and for some ...i know for me atleast.....this is a place to get away from all the nonsense of work and sometimes life in general...and dabble a bit in something that i have always loved and enjoyed.......

I have been around this online era block of the hobby for about 11 or so years. I have seen the rush to the latest greatest, and have seen far too many rush to judgment scenarios. I have learned to keep it in context. That helps avoid confusion about who wants what and why they want it. The reasons vary from benign to crossing the border of absurd. Know which is which.

It seems someone or a few will always ask why certain stuff isn't allowed everywhere they may go. No one venue can accommodate everybody's wish lists. Additionally, it's kinda pointless to go around pushing up on those venues (any of them) because of what they do or do not allow. It's simple really, and nothing more than a matter of common courtesy. "Their house, their rules." Don't like it, don't play. Play or not, don't complain. What's so difficult about that? I can't think of a single member of this community that isn't smart enough to know and understand that.

If one wants to have all their wish lists fulfilled it is pretty easy to do. It's called solitaire. Good news is you can have everything you desire. Bad news is your win/loss record will NEVER breech .500

All kidding aside, solitaire is great and it is a HUGE part of this hobby. It has many great things to offer. But the day one decides to play w/just one other person (let alone a few hotel rooms full), one has to compromise.

Bottom Line: Why ask why? Show up w/your team ready for whatever venue, play, socialize, and have some fun...... Or Not.

Hey Mr. Moderator... Can an old time brutha get an emoticon w/a dude lounging in an easy chair eatin' a box of popcorn? I need it for all the trollin that goes on up in this jernt.

-Mike Pratt

[NATIONAL]

My good friends Morgan, and Pratt.


It's all about choices

And the golden rules, "who ever has the gold, makes the rules"


The F.O.T.H.

[Michigan Joe]

Great responses and I would add one thing- total weight (figure + base) can matter IF you play with certain boards. The board type MAY affect which weight you would want to make your players, let me explain....

I have come to find that the boards we use are the biggest variable in the game, and any variation in board vibration, frequency, and amplitude can lead to different performance by figures of different weights. For example. take the differences of a Tudor 620 and a wood 308. The wood 308 is very lively and I GENERALLY find that slightly heavier total weight (figure + base =3.5-4.0g) run smoother and more repeatable than lower weighted players in the 2.2-2.8g range. With the smaller Tudor boards utilizing linear vibrators and thin metal they achieve a higher vibration frequency and I have GENERALLY found the lighter figures to perform nicely and to run very smooth. I've found the Watts boards run somewhat similarly to the Tudor 620s (not surprising since it uses the same motor type) but at very high speeds I still see some advantages of higher total weight for improved balance. On this board I've found that the higher the speed you use the less likely you are to have any slow spots on the board. I also love my homemade metal field (2'x4' board) with a rotary motor (with counter weight on the motor). It runs SUPER quiet (with no slow spots) and board sound is very improtant for me when I want to run the board at night after my 3 little kids go to bed. This is the only board I have that my wife doesn't notice when I turn it on. This board is generally very smooth but runs at a lower frequency and higher amplitude than the Tudor style boards (mainly because of the thicker metal and counter weight style motor). On this board, I've found that slightly heavier than standard figures (3.2-4.0) work extremely well because they are less likely to fall over during contact with other figures, although extremely well balance lighter figures (like the old tudor tackle) are fine too.

Forgive my if this all sounds too technical, that is just the mechanical engineer in me. My point is, there is no reason to say that any particular combination is best. My opinion is to get with your local crew and understand which boards everyone likes to play with. This will go a long way in setting a weight limit. Secondly, if there are people that you play with that like certain figures that are heavier than "standard" 2.0g then work that out so you can satisfy everyone.

I hope this adds insight into this sometimes "divisive" topic.
Joe

[Norbert Revels]

Originally Posted by asparks31

I know this topic has been on the bord before but we really never got a clear answer. Whats wrong with this weight limit? Alot of leagues want to stick with the 3.2 but why is it that you don't want to paint anymore figs? or maybe its the you don't want to add weight. I know its alot of people who want to know the real reason like me. I know everyone has a favorite set of figs, and I dig that but to outaw a specific set of figs that is insane.

I really dont post much but I've been looking and reading posts and this is a topic that never got a clear answer. Don't miss understand me I'm not talking rule set I'm talking just weight. Rule set is a whole different story all I can say about that is to each his own. To get as close to real football the shootout style is awsome.

It don't matter to me, I love them all, 3.2, 4.0, 15.00, metal, wood, or tappin a cookie sheet, I could play on the roof in the winter time or where ever, I just want to play.

P.S. I see more and more leagues going with the higher weight limits which is fine, (hey GLEFL suits) smile,.....I only notice tournaments not going up.

Norbert Revels

[Hook'em Horns]

that everyone would take the questions that one post seriously instead of making a mockery of that person and making jokes. If you feel like the question is old news then don't respond. There are a few people who were not around when those posts where going on as well as the new additions to the hobby who are becoming acclimated and would like to know as well.

Drew the best thing that I can tell you is to find a league in which allows the things that you are looking for. If you are looking for a league that allows ff.net figures and higher weight limits then that is where you go. It seems that you have found that and we are grateful to have you my friend.

The good thing is that leagues are like ice cream. There are a lot of different flavors. Why ask why all flavors of ice cream don't have a splash of chocolate in them? It's not because they are afraid of mixing a bit of chocolate in everything. It's more becuase there are different strokes for different folks. Variety is good. Everyone doesn't like chocolate just as everyone doesn't enjoy 4.0. 3.2 is what's natural about the hobby. Some just like to line'em up and play. They don't want to get into the technical aspect of the weights and figures. In some cases it does take the fun out of it. Look at what the magnet weights have done to our league. Natural keeps it pure fun and that is what some people enjoy.

Now you can make the arguement that some leagues are doing it intentionally to ban ff.net figs but if they are I don't care. It's not my battle to fight. I love ff.net figures and that's all that matters to me. Spending time trying to figure out why one doesn't is a waste of time. Now as for me personally, I love the technical part of the game. The weight limit gets me into a totally different area of the hobby like balancing figures, creating custom figures, playing at higher speeds, etc. But this is not what everyone is interested in and that is absolutely ok by me.

[Shabby J]

Too much emphasis being put on weight, sure, some weights run better than others on certain fields, but that's it.

The 4.0 is primarily to include figures made by other manufacturers and not just limited to the Fab 5. Weight difference does come into play with advanced tweaking capabilities and advanced board, field. motor tweaking as well.

A) build a team that's within the weight limits allowed by the club or league you are going to join.

b) build a team(s) to a weight that you feel peroforms best on your field

c) build multiple teams at different weights to allow you to compete in two or more leagues/tourneys

d) Just build a team and enjoy MF

For those new to the hobby or returning then weight should not even be an issue right now.

I have seen well tweaked 3.2gm destroy a well tweaked 4.0gm athlete many times, as I am sure we all have.

[Geno H]

Lets just play the game...... I play Tornado Alley rules, Shootout rules, National High Voltage rules, Mid Kansas Minature Football League rules, Solitare rules and have dozens of EVERY figure ever made for Minature football. The beauty of it all is I can play at any weight or any rule set and enjoy myself.


Geno H