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[Hook'em Horns]

that I have problems with in our league. The TSO ruleset tries its best to mimic the NFL rules in as many ways. However, with this particular rule the winning team in situations such as this are forced to run plays until time expires. Several years ago (I think before I was born) this was also the case in the NFL. I believe the game was between the Eagles and Giants (I just saw this on this on ESPN a few weeks ago). I'm not sure what team was leading but they had the game won and all they had to do was run a few plays and the game was over. Well, they did but a fumble occurred and the other team ran the ball all the way back for a score. Hence, the birth of the "Victory formation". Now when teams have the game locked away, in efforts to avoid injury, running up the score and to secure the victory they line up in the "victory formation" and they just take a knee. To my knowledge, since this technique became a part of football no fumbles, interceptions or injuries have occurred during the victory formation unless the team lining up in the victory formation decides to do something tricky.

Teams in our league have lost games, chances at playoff spots and opportunities at playing in super bowls because they were forced to run plays instead of taking a knee and as a result lost a fumble to the other team and their opportunity because of this rule and I for one would like to see it changed!

[artlax]

What happened is that Coach Karim made an error in strategy and switch control. He decided to scramble and when he did - he let his QB go too far before curring off the switch. Thus he incurred a penalty - stopping the clock. Which - in essence gave Joe G. another stoppage.

As I stated above if he had just run the ball the first two plays he would have been fine and could have run the clock out.

Tight game with a lot on the line and sometimes - even with the big boys in the NFL - that can cause bad decisions.

[mozeek]

The KEY is he had to run atleast one play......he had to get setup within the setup clock time and then say set and run atleast one play....a simple switch turn on and saying "I am taking a knee " before the snap of the ball would be needed and then the defense should have an oppurtunity to shake up the box...and then the clock runs out......but if something happens like a fumble penalty or whatever will be enforced.....why is there confusion.....this is easy...no rule changes need to be applied

[RPD]

Originally Posted by Mike Robertson

that I have problems with in our league. The TSO ruleset tries its best to mimic the NFL rules in as many ways. However, with this particular rule the winning team in situations such as this are forced to run plays until time expires. Several years ago (I think before I was born) this was also the case in the NFL. I believe the game was between the Eagles and Giants (I just saw this on this on ESPN a few weeks ago). I'm not sure what team was leading but they had the game won and all they had to do was run a few plays and the game was over. Well, they did but a fumble occurred and the other team ran the ball all the way back for a score. Hence, the birth of the "Victory formation". Now when teams have the game locked away, in efforts to avoid injury, running up the score and to secure the victory they line up in the "victory formation" and they just take a knee. To my knowledge, since this technique became a part of football no fumbles, interceptions or injuries have occurred during the victory formation unless the team lining up in the victory formation decides to do something tricky.

Teams in our league have lost games, chances at playoff spots and opportunities at playing in super bowls because they were forced to run plays instead of taking a knee and as a result lost a fumble to the other team and their opportunity because of this rule and I for one would like to see it changed!

I agree 100%

[The Rookie]

The teams were the NYG who were winning and decided to run the ball and the QB ( Persoki I forgot how to spell it) bumped into the RB and he fumbled then Herb of the PHil. Eagles( Indy Coach now) pick it up and rambled for a TD and the win

[Reginald Rutledge]

The player in question was Herm Edwards of the Philadelphia Eagles. The coach of the Indy played for the Pittsburgh Steelers and his name is Tony Dungy.

On another note, the victory formation still to this day does not always work as games have been lost in this era with that formation being in place. I've seen it happen at the University of Tennessee and in a few high school games.

A game should never be over until the clock strikes 00:00 and when it is not played to the fullest extent, you mess with the integrity of the game and the rules.

Reg

The Miracle at the Meadowlands is the term used by sportscasters and Philadelphia Eagles fans for a fumble recovery by cornerback Herman Edwards that he returned for a touchdown at the end of a November 19, 1978 NFL game against the New York Giants in Giants Stadium. It was seen as miraculous because it occurred at a point in the game when the Giants were easily capable of running out the game's final seconds. The Giants had the ball, and the Eagles had no timeouts left. Everyone watching expected quarterback Joe Pisarcik to take one more snap and kneel with the ball, thus running out the clock and preserving a 17-12 Giant upset. Instead, he attempted to hand it off to fullback Larry Csonka and botched it, allowing Edwards to pick up the ball and run 26 yards for the winning score.

Giants fans refer to the play simply as "The Fumble," though that name is generally used outside of New York for a play in the 1987 AFC Championship Game between the Cleveland Browns and Denver Broncos. It has been referred to as one of the most, if not the most, mistaken coaching decisions in American football. While this view is popularly held among sports fans, the reason why the call was made, and why it happened the way it did, has been overlooked in the ensuing years. As a result, all teams would line up differently when they ran out the clock.

The terms reflect the different impact the play had on both teams. For the Eagles, a victory snatched from the jaws of certain defeat served as a morale boost, leading that season to a playoff berth and, two seasons later, the franchise's first Super Bowl appearance. But to Giants fans, it was the nadir of a long era of mediocrity, proof the team not only couldn't succeed but couldn't allow itself to do so. For them, it too would lead to changes that proved beneficial in the long run.