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Old 11-16-2009, 12:48 AM
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Serves me right for turning off the game with 14 mins left. just saw the highlights.

How do you not punt that being in your own zone?

Umm ya first post. Hi!
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:31 AM
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If the Pats convert the media calls him a risky genius. His ego got in the way and it cost the team big-time.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:47 PM
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Bellicheat must have seen something in his video collection to make him try that.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:09 PM
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Yeah...gutsy call that clearly back fired. From a mere probability standpoint I think it was the right move. If you are the NE and you get the 4th down conversion then you win- Period. Lets call that 4th and 2 a 50% probability of making it (probably even higher given there ability to shred the Colts all night). If you punt it away you have 0% chance of making the first down. Now lets look at the probability of Indy scoring a TD if they get the ball. They have all there time outs left. In addition, given that its the last possession they will use all 4 downs to convert and try to get into the end zone. Therefore the chances of a TD are higher than typical possessions. With just under two minutes to go the probability of scoring from the 30 yard line I would say is ~60%. A 35 yard net punt from NE would have given the Colts the ball on their own 35 yard line (65 yards to go for a TD). My estimate is that they had a 40% chance to score from that field position.

So lets sum up the Colts probabilities of winning to determine if NE made the right choice:

Decision 1) NE Go for it: Probability of Colts winning = probability of a stop * probability of a score from the 30 yard line. [0.5*0.6]= 30%

Decision 2) NE Punt: Probability of Colts winning = probability of a stop (100%)* probability of a score from 65 yards away (40%)= [1.0*0.40]= 40%

If you use this logic then it was the RIGHT CHOICE to go for it (by a slim margin). But...if you up the odds of NE making the 4th and 2 from 50 to 70% (which is probably how NE felt), the odds of the Colts winning the game was less than 20% [0.3*0.6=18%].

Punting the ball is over rated in my opinion, especially if you have a highly proficient offense or a very poor defense. Anyways, some food for thought.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:27 PM
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The odds that NE makes a 4th and 2 is more like 65%, based on the Pats history...........I heard that on the nfl on sirius today. So, I don't blame him one bit, ...........the guy has won 3 SB, and will go down as one of the best coaches in pro football history......and many of us Em Effers are 2nd guessing him????
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:27 PM
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I disagree with Coach Belichick, I think should have put the game in the hands of the Pats defense. The Pats were doing great against Peyton and his offense, even if Peyton Manning is one of the best, if not the best QB in the game.
Even though Peyton Manning is great at the hurry up offense, I would had punted it away. Now obviously if the 4th & 2 would have been converted, which I thought wasn't a great spot and it should have possible been a first down, we would not be discussing this and Belichick would be a hero in Boston, but I don't think that this is a risk you should take on your own 29 yard line.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:22 PM
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No way I'm giving Peyton the ball with 28 yards to go and 1:30 on the clock. Risk vs. reward. Kick it and make them have to go 60-70 yards instead of 28. If you go and make it, you win. If you don't make it, you lose. If you punt, your odds are way better to hold on and win.
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