Height and scale?

[Michigan Joe]

5-13 and Wolf,

I was just looking at miniature figure scale size and was wondering if our current figures fall more closely to 25mm or 28mm scale. I'm curious to your thoughts on this.

Based on the measurements of miniatures being to eye level instead of top of the head it appears that they are to the 28mm scale (28mm~6 foot). For example, lets assume the hati repro DB was 6' tall. The height of the hati repro DB is ~30.5mm (~32-1.5 platform thickness). The head length is ~5mm so the measurement to the eyes would be ~28mm (30.5-2.5).

The FF.com and 67 big men figures appear slightly taller and the little Miggle guys are slightly shorter. I guess if you bunch the population of all these figures together to get variation in height it looks like overall the 28mm scale would more appropriately fit the combination of figures that we currently use. Therefore the 28mm scale is 1/58, whereas the 25mm scale is considered 1/64.

Any thoughts? 5-13 I'm a little confused by the 25/28mm scale. What scale do you think is most appropriate to our current configuration of figures, 1/58 or 1/64?

Thanks,
Joe

[5-13 Studios]

i agree that the figures fall closer to the 28mm scale. however, i always post them as 25/28mm because somewhere in the mid 80's, the wargaming sculptors cheated a little and started sculpting their 25mm scale figures a little larger for detail purposes. they actually weren't quite large enough for true 28mm scale items, so the tag 25mm stuck with them. occasionally you will find a figures labeled 25/28mm, but they are mostly labeled as 25mm.
i personally figure that going with 25mm is simply easier because it roughly turns out to be 5mm =1 foot. mf is probably in the in between range of scale, but 5mm=1 foot is easier to measure than 5.6mm=1 foot, imo.

[Michigan Joe]

Thanks for the quick feedback.

For some reason, I like to think of scale in terms of ratio, as in 1/64 or 1/72, etc. With the 25mm scale, which approximates the length of a figure's height to his EYES being 25mm, the figure's height is actually ~28mm tall. If our figures normal height is closer to 30-31mm then it definatly is closer to a true 28mm scale. Then again, the average players height is probably taller than 6 feet and helmets add to height, so a 25/28 scale seems right. Therefore the true MF scale that we play to today (for figures) would be closer to the 1/58 to 1/64 range instead of 1/72 (1/72 is the 5mm=1ft scale). Wolf's assessement of ~1.25" (~31.75mm) tall figures being equivalanet to a 6' tall figure is exactly the 1/58 scale. However, with the helmet adding height and the fact that the average NFL player is taller than 6', I would say the 1/64 scale may be the closest "standard" scale ratio to what we are playing with.

With the 1/64 scale ratio, a 6 foot tall player would be a1.125" tall miniature figure (72" * 1/64 = 1.125").
Joe

[WEIRDWOLF]

Bump for Mark Robins

[mark robin]

guys, reguler small hotwheels and matchbox cars are 1:64.

[artlax]

you can download or even purchase.

I used them when modelling in the 1/35 and 1/32 scale.

Just on mere observation I would say most EF/MF figures are close to 1/48th scale.

[eflfanatic]

Bumping this back up because I believe that we (the MFCA) as a leading organization of miniature football should establish a standard scale for future manufactures to use in deciding what scale to use when making figures and gameboards. Or do we just go with the original scale and sizes used by Tudor.
I know they had many board sizes but I do believe the vintage 620's is the best size and what most people prefer.

[roller]

Wierdwolf,

Another way to look at the original question,
What should 40yards measure out to for skills competitions?,
would be to think about how fast figures are able to run.

For instance, if the average figure can run about 16" in 5 seconds, and the really fast figures can do it in 4 seconds, then this distance would be accurate and true for the EF world.

Think of it as reverse engineering It may be that this method doesn't work at all, but I thought it might be interesting to scale the figure's speed rather than the figure's size to field.

[mwilbury]

Can anybody add a photo with scale comparison including Jennings figures? I'd like to see how they compare with Buzzball, etc.