Question of the Day: Would you let a Guy Back in Who...

[artlax]

Originally Posted by roller

Constantly arriving late - holding other coaches "hostage"? This is grounds for getting kicked out. People spend too much time and $$ to get stood up. If your date did this to you, would you keep making dates with them?

Signing up but never completing schedule? This may be annoying, but it really only hurts the person who can't finish.

Not returning phone calls, emails or texts?
Again, annoying, but probably not worthy of banishment in my book.

Sorry, but these three are totally related.

And this has been a huge problem in at least one league in which I take part.


Guys arrive on time waiting to play - then hours later other coach(es) arrives or now show - even though they knew and confirmed start time.

Not cool at all and hurts all involved.

Commish tries to find out if a guy is coming using EVERY available means of communication - no answer - like they fell off the face of the earth!!!

Man-up and return the call or email or text (like Vince Young) at least - No is ok.

Commish sets up a schedule (not always definite dates) which commits teams to play other teams and then play dates roll around and a team or two is a no show, no call, etc - definitely hurting other coaches who want to play and had been scheduled to play that coach.

Again if you don't really want to play or can't - then don't say yes, yes and then disappear like Hofa!

[roller]

I was looking at this from our league's perspective. We don't have a set schedule. If they sign up to play, but never schedule a game, it doesn't really hurt any of our coaches. It just means their are less teams to pool from. At the end of the day, it means that in the future they don't make my priority list

Them not calling back in the context of standing someone up is not cool. In our league it is counted as a forfeit. I would stand by my commissioner if they booted them for continued no-shows. If they just don't call back or answer emails about general league votes, game days, availability, then I just say, "forget you".

DR

Originally Posted by artlax

Sorry, but these three are totally related.

And this has been a huge problem in at least one league in which I take part.


Guys arrive on time waiting to play - then hours later other coach(es) arrives or now show - even though they knew and confirmed start time.

Not cool at all and hurts all involved.

Commish tries to find out if a guy is coming using EVERY available means of communication - no answer - like they fell off the face of the earth!!!

Man-up and return the call or email or text (like Vince Young) at least - No is ok.

Commish sets up a schedule (not always definite dates) which commits teams to play other teams and then play dates roll around and a team or two is a no show, no call, etc - definitely hurting other coaches who want to play and had been scheduled to play that coach.

Again if you don't really want to play or can't - then don't say yes, yes and then disappear like Hofa!

[artlax]

Originally Posted by NATIONAL

The other things are bad, but can be fixed or helped.

Nat'l

my experiences have shown me not for everyone and it certainly has affected coaches and their desire to play (I speak from experience) and a leagues' ability to have a complete schedule.

[the System]

I have been burned by people enough times in my life to say NO FORGIVENESS.

[mozeek]

Reg we have spoken about this also off-line....I think it's funny especially some of the replies.....People as a whole will not change for any long periods of time....Behavior specialists have proven this.....Short Term they will change but eventually they will revert back.......

Soooo with that STOP CREATING MONSTERS....

People will only do what you ALLOW them to do....that is what I live by...and when i get tired of the nonsense I get rid of the problem......no matter what relation they are to me.....Life is Too short.......

[the french guy]

Personaly, I think a jerk will stay a jerk no matter you'll do

No matter the hobby or sport, if I have to deal with this type of person, 1st problem : I stay calm, 2nd problem, I quit, simply as that, and never play with the guy again.

As it has been said, life is too short and precious to deal with that.

The thing I notice reading your topics and posts, is that the game is very competition oriented in your country. I rarely see (except for solitaire play) game reports of friendly games.

We come back to the definition of the hobby structure : "league" against "club", if you see what I mean.

In my opinion, any MF organization should have friendly games regularly during the season. Playing with friends, instead of playing against opponents. Fees only for the gaming structure needs. Refunds at the end of the season if the money has not been spent. That kind of things.

Once you put money on something, a lot of guys will think they deserve something, since they paid, and don't remember that playing MF with other passionate people is a chance. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about, it's so hard to find people involved in my aera.

In one word, hard rules and frontiers in competition playing, freedom and friendship in fridenly gaming, and no money (or the less possible) an no business in every case.


My 2 cents

[artlax]

...one of our own BAM Coaches - Joe Greco - plays "friendlies" all the time.

In fact he just played one on the west coast that was televised on the internet.

Joe fits these in during his business travels.

One of the top coaches and best guys in the country.

[MplsTom]

I tend to agree with Raiderman which is scary...

Letting this person back into an established league where guys are following a code of conduct as a step 1 isn't probably the wisest thing.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. On the other hand as RM said, be there to help this person back into a position where people can see a change that goes beyond words. Perhaps this means organizing a small event for this person to play in and see how they act there when the rubber hits the road or under adversity. If the person is seeking a path - it may not be the path that they want but as a Christian I do believe in helping people find a path to redemption and stepping alongside when they're asking for help.

[Jamel_G]

HeLL No!

Don't do it....

Another NO NO Never talk a guy into playing a season. If their desire isn't their it will get worse as the season moves on.

Love ya like a play cousin, but you can't play cousin..

[GUTTMANN]

Originally Posted by roller

I would rather have a bye week than play a game against a jerk. Life is too short, and I'm doing this for fun and recreation, not to be a missionary.

I say, tell them to "hit the bricks"!!

Agree