Question of the Day: Would you let a Guy Back in Who...

[Reginald Rutledge]

has burned you over and over again into your league?

I believe in forgiveness and I am a proud Christian. Sometimes, I don't always do whats right but I try to be an example as the leader of my family of living a righteous life is.

But I also know, guys tend to try to "run over" those who do not confront them with the same ferocity that they were attacked by. In this game, we've got all kinds of characters and no one is perfect. However, we all love to play the game. That's probably why you are reading this pose.

But in the past, I have played in leagues, offered tournaments, and done other things and have allowed guys back into things even after outlandish behavior on their part. Those guys would have a certain influence on some guys who would then cave in to them and try to get the group as a whole to "side" with them, only to see history repeat itself. They would weave their web where they think no one knows what's going on or is looking but forgive me, I am usually pretty wise to things of that nature. I am pretty analytical. I see things way before it come to past.

The problem most of the time, at least for me, is that what that guy brings to the table is misery and a cancerous effect. There are some who bring positives like service/work and stability. In either case, do you allow those guys back in.

My feelings are this is suppose to be fun for me. If I feel I am apart of a group that brings no good vibes to me, why am I wasting their time? I don't want to spoil it for anyone else with my bad feelings about the situation and if the group wants this person to be apart of it, who am I to stop the group? Time is so essential to the rest of my days on this earth that I have no interest in being uncomfortable in any kind of way.

What are your thoughts on this?

Reg

[NATIONAL]

Wouldn't accept them back into the league.......unless you needed them to get to a certain number or something like that.


Nat'l

[Hook'em Horns]

I agree with National. Perhaps you can have whoever it is involved in an observatory roll to see if the character of this individual has changed. Otherwise, If you're the commissioner you have a duty to protect the integrity and the welfare of your league and its members.

I too am a Christian but forgiveness is in the heart not in believing that you can now leave your money around a known thief without supervision! I hope that picture wasn't to vivid.

I agree that many people can change and everyone deserves a second chance i.e. Michael Vick. However, the difference is that Vick paid his debt to society. What debt has this previous member paid? Has he/she served the league in a compacity since being banned that would warrant them deserving a 2nd opportunity? Has he/she called and made a formal apology? Seriously, I believe it is a privelege to play in a league amongst such great men and women, fathers and mothers. We must learn to appreciate that fact and if others can't learn to respect that then it is extremely important to remove them from the process before their ways spread like cancer throughout the league.

[roller]

Originally Posted by NATIONAL

Wouldn't accept them back into the league.......unless you needed them to get to a certain number or something like that.

Nat'l

I would rather have a bye week than play a game against a jerk. Life is too short, and I'm doing this for fun and recreation, not to be a missionary.

I say, tell them to "hit the bricks"!!

[Hoop27]

imo you get one strike. If after the first strike the offending person does it again...

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

[Reginald Rutledge]

such agreement with you on that that it's not funny.

Mike hit on something very good too. It is a privilege to be able to play this game. For the most part, we've got guys of very high character who play this game - family men, good husbands and fathers, men of the Cloth, service oriented people. It is a privilege to be able to be among good men AND WOMEN who play the game and enjoy their company.

Roller shares my view in oh so many ways. I was talking to Mike Robertson earlier in the week (one of those private moments) and he talked about when I lose interest in arguing or being frustrated, I just quit now.

I am a lot like Roller in this way that I will look at it as a "Bye" week. I have no time for jerks either and I see no reason to be a missionary for poor behavior from 50, 40, and 30 year olders no more. Just don't have the time or interest. If that person has been voted to be a part of a league I am in, I would probably not play the guy or at first argument or "whine", I am done.

Reg

[RAIDERMAN]

Just because you are a Christian doesn't mean you are a doormat. We're called to love the person and hate the sin. Did Jesus stay in the towns that didn't accept Him? No, He moved on. Why? Because it was a waste of time to preach to people that wouldn't accept it anyway. He would go to towns that accepted Him and let him work miracles in their lives. The same was true with the disciples. You can love the person and reach out to them but that doesn't mean you have to constantly be annoyed by them. If you are reaching 10-12 people on a weekly basis and one person shows up and ruins the time you have with those people what do you do? Explain the rules, explain what is expected and if they don't follow that explain where the door is. "But you're a Christian you can't throw people out." If they are stopping the good that you are doing yes you can. You don't stop loving the person and you continue to be there for them but you can't let them stop your work. Plus, when you stand up to them and tell them the rules they won't like it BUT they'll come back because deep down they know it's what they need.

RAIDERMAN

[artlax]

OK - you guys went and opened Pandoras Box here!!!

What do you guys consider behavior worthy of banishment?

I have a couple of my own pet peeves - but wondering just exactly what are some of you basing your position on?

Not paying dues?

Not helping ref?

Constantly arriving late - holding other coaches "hostage"?

Constantly arguing every call against them?

Signing up but never completing schedule?

Not returning phone calls, emails or texts?

[roller]

Originally Posted by artlax

OK - you guys went and opened Pandoras Box here!!!

What do you guys consider behavior worthy of banishment?

I have a couple of my own pet peeves - but wondering just exactly what are some of you basing your position on?

Not paying dues?

Not helping ref?

Constantly arriving late - holding other coaches "hostage"?

Constantly arguing every call against them?

Signing up but never completing schedule?

Not returning phone calls, emails or texts?

Not paying dues? No dues=no play. This is a non-starter. In my mind, this is easily prevented. You can't play until you pay. BUT, in light of this thread, this one would definitely be cause to be kicked out. If you don't pay your electric bill you really can't expect to have the lights stay on...

Not helping ref? This is just annoying, but I wouldn't banish anyone.

Constantly arriving late - holding other coaches "hostage"? This is grounds for getting kicked out. People spend too much time and $$ to get stood up. If your date did this to you, would you keep making dates with them?

Constantly arguing every call against them? YES. I would ask them not to come back on this action. This type of behaviour doesn't make for a good time, plus it has a real impact on others. If they constantly argue the call, this wastes everyone's time. Every minute this jerk takes up arguing means one less minute to get a game in for someone else.

Signing up but never completing schedule? This may be annoying, but it really only hurts the person who can't finish.

Not returning phone calls, emails or texts?
Again, annoying, but probably not worthy of banishment in my book.

[NATIONAL]

The arguing every call is the one....if you can not see your self losing and you will do anything to keep that from happening, and I do mean anything..it's time to move on.

The other things are bad, but can be fixed or helped.

And it all starts with paying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nat'l