The Reason for Pass Simulation (stick passing)

[Anthony D Burgess]

Every one is saying that you MUST USE THE TTQB.

At one time some one said that there would never be a Black QB in the NFL ! PASS PLACEMENT.

Many of you don't like the pass placement because you're set in you're ways and you're unwilling to look at and see the benfits of this and how it helps.

WOW, Hourse and cart, now that there is a car out there you don't like it, WHY ?

Should every one eat chicken, should every one eat beef ? Whay are you all trying to restrick this area ?

You all are bias toward the Pass Placement with out just cause.

The defender has a right to make a play on the ball but you take that right away, and is that right or fair ? You move around the board, you stop it to protect you're QB. Dang the game is built around the pass . All you see is that the ball must go through the air from the QB's position, that all you care about.

You through out giving the defender a right to make a play on the ball, you throught the ability to get a penalty. You sacrifice 2 football elements just to use 1

The receiver is making that catch with the pass placement, but is not with the TTQB , the board is running when you pass and on run plays, but you stop it to pass the ball.

You all should look closely at the pros and cons of the TTQB passing befor you put down and critcize something you're uneducated on .

A cruch is stopping the board to avoid a sack, a cruch is moving around the board to throw a pass, do you see the coach of the other team go behind the end zone to get a better view, or go to the other sidline ? Do you see the QB tell the defenders to stop rushing so he can throw a pass?

[Anthony D Burgess]

Thanks Man for the respect

Originally Posted by Tron1984

Fellas,

There's no need for controversy here! This is a passing method designed by Anthony Burgess for his Weighted Multi-Stoppage System. And that's O.K.!
The TTQB is cumbersome to many. It requires hand and dexterity that many donot posse and requires years of practice. Look at all of the great passers;they have been doing this for years! A great TTQB passer only needs to get one man open and he can move the ball even if his team is not that good or well tweaked. Many will say , "Hey, I'm a great coach!" Believe what you want. Passing sticks keeps jokers honest! If you have a well tweaked team. A team with receivers who are straight and fast, I guarantee' they will double team your players or try to hold they at the LOS! They know that if your player completes a stick pass, chances are they can't catch them once the pass is complete! Pass placement was designed to keep the game/ball on the board. It always receivers to run routes. It allows the defense an honest play on the ball and it forces the offense to make the right decison. It keeps the game moving, active and fun. There are many variations of the "stick pass" since it was adopted by leagues across the country,but the rules must be clear and effective. The real question for those of us who play One stop, picth or pass is "Turning Players and the Clock"! HHmmm?

Fellas,
Reggie, there's no controversy that will ever break our bond of friendship! I have many friends who don't like me any more ,but they are my friends wether they want to be or not! Besides, how could anyone not like me? It's not possible. Any way, B eenut has the right idea! Further more, if some joker puts the sticks on the board against me, he better know that pass is going to be a pick and if he TTQB passes, that dude better be gone or my boys will walk that chump down! Play weighted! Nuff said!
By the way,
Thanks for the board Reggie! With a few modifications I will begin my total domination of all weigthed leagues and divisions 2008! Killer Bees are coming!

I can't really say any more on the subject than what I already said. As usual the real message of the post was lost to arguments of "this versus that."

No need to mention that the purpose was to answer the question of a board member, and not to get in to this type of thing. Passing sticks are universal in MD leagues as far as I know, and in some of the PA leagues. That is my home town so I'm speaking on my own experience. If my point of view is excluding a particular segment, then it is unintentional. Please allow me to answer the question of this individual without turning these posts over to subjects of personal nature.

Once again, passing sticks (when used) are designed to offer the coach an option of ways in which he will pass the football. Both methods are used in accordance with the personal likes and dislikes of the coach, and dictated by the situation on the field. In MPFL, our game boards are 5 ft long (60"), we have multi-stops so that the coaches can adjust their blocking and pursuit, runners and QBs can move and reverse, ect. You are able to use magnets during the play at times to hold your position in the offensive backfield, and on defense to hold linebackers and safties so passing sticks are used to wedge the ball into coverage, throw deep, short, and attach spots on the field.

I'm exhausted and am sorry I wrote this post in the first place.

[Kansas Bill]

I haven't noticed any references to the NHFL style of passing.. Which uses both the TTQB and a form of pass placement/simulation.. Defenders do get an opportunity to intercept the pass.. You have to have the ability to throw the TTQB.. AND.. Your receivers have got to be tweaked to run straight and true.. WITH.. enough strength or escapability to get away from the defenders.. Only the best of the best can be successful at this style.. (which is further proof that I am NOT one of those.. lol)

We incorporated both styles into the Tornado Alley EFL this season, and made rules changes in a way to reward a owner/player/coach who could pass the NHFL style.

And the reason I pushed so hard for the sticks? I'll admit it.. I didn't have success passing the NHFL way.. Too many times I'd hit the target, and the receiver would not.. or vise versa.. And due to my lack of success, and the number of newbies we wanted to attract.. We can also use the passing sticks exclusively.. It was a crutch.. my crutch...

All I've had to do is look at the passing stats... With being able to pass without the TTQB.. pass completion percentages went up significantly..

To each his own... I like the inclusion of all styles..

But come on.. there's no right or wrong way... no Cadillac vs. Yugo... none of that crap...

Lance Williams in the Tornado Alley EFL and NHFL has the right attitude.. He doesn't care what style... He just wants to play EF. OH ya.. I am announcing a bounty on his old old old TTQB that is as consistent with his fingers on it as any TTQB.. LOL (just kidding Lance)

...has incorporated a few things form here and there, including multi-stop and a modified passing system.

I don't like the sticks, but I see the NEED to allow DBs to play the pass. Jamming a WR 20yds into the backfield IS NOT football. That's Defensive Holding on EVERY play!!!

Why is EVERYONE afraid to let the WRs do what they're supposed to do - run downfield???

SOLUTION 1: CBs are NOT allowed to be on TTCs.

SOLUTION 2: Stay on your own side of the field and learn how to throw "underhanded" or "backhanded!"

SOLUTION 3: If "pass" is called, DBs move alongside WRs and "escort them downfield.

SOLUTION 4 (ILLINOIS' Season): Snap-n-Bump; turn CBs/DBs, QB dropback (see below); pass to open WR or scramble some more while WRs/DBs adjust to deeper routes; pass to WR with DB legally draped over him to break-up the ball in the air.

Second part of the equation is the QB Dropback. In a REAL playcall, the QB-drop is incorporated and the OL have to account for a 3, 4, 5 or 7 yard drop. 95% of the sacks are blind-sides! Favre didn't tell Strahan to "Freeze!" right before he made the record-breaking sack. Why do we? Instead of using different length sticks for WRs to run to, we're gonna use different dropback chutes to simulate the different dropback distances. This way gives the QB a choice on how far he can dropback before getting blasted, but it limits the amount of separation the WRs can get. It also means WRs are less likely to be unchaperoned downfield and it gives the D some credit for good coverage/pass rush. Everyone's happy. QB still has a little control, but D doesn't get burned with their backs turned.

So, count me as NOT using sticks. Peace.

Well, many of the Natl. leagues are weighing in on this which basically backs up what I was saying. Stick passing on a multi-stop platform, on a scale-sized game board works wonders. In it's true form, it works to perfection, is logical, and better simulates what you see on television. There are many things being done by leagues and coaches across the country from the use of dice, cards, and other random props. No one acuses these individuals of using crutches. We call our own plays, and the players execute their own injuries, penalties, and turnovers. That is just how we do it. Now go and do it the way you do it.

In any event, I couldn't be happier with what we are doing here. My work on the MPFL website and DVD are testimonies to my committment to share this challenging and fun game with others. I am not paid to work on this stuff but do it out of the sheer enjoyment that I have gotten. Were it not for things like pass placement and multi-stops, I would not be in this hobby.

There are enough people out there who are wise enough to detect the sarcasm and bitterness with these board post replies.

I will continue to work hard to answer any and all questions that I am able to either in verbal or pictoral format. Whether they be about paint colors, strategy elements of football, computer support, or any other area in which I have been helped by others, I will also continue to help. Dispite the negativity and attempts to discredit.

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

I would be interested to know what 99 out of 100 leagues use pass placement? If there is factual information to this knowledge, I would be surprised but definitely would want to know. With EFLers, nothing surpises me but I was just curious when I read the one post regarding that.

I guess we need to stop having the Texas Shootout because the DFW is the only league that plays with the TTQB!

WE HAVE BOTH IN OUR LEAGUE, BUT THE ADVANCING COACHES ARE THE ONES WHO CAN COMPLETE A ttqb PASS.......

We use the TTQB in our leauge. So if you use the sticks, you rarly have an incompletion do you? I was just trying to figure it out. The one time I've played with them, zero incompletions. Now, you can still use the ttcqb with the sticks right?

[Treks1]

I am not posting this to weigh in on any System of play, but on the specific question of using passing sticks, I do like the system as you can sit back and watch the play develop and your Db's can brake on the ball (and get a pick) and you can throw it to an area, not just the receiver, like in real football. I like the SWB rules at they allow you to use both. In the G.L., you have to throw the ball. Its a skill that's just a part of the game.

Ultimately, I love the target passing as it incorporates both passing and the sticks. I hope that we can get the targets into our league or maybe the college summer league.