The Reason for Pass Simulation (stick passing)

Before the whole passing stick thing gets out of hand i'd like to explain the purpose.

One. For all coaches who are saying that pass simulation is for people that can't pass with a TTQB, your point is incorrect. The idea of pass simulation is to mimic the football action of a reciever running through the defense from the spot where he is to the spot where the pass is being thrown. It gives the defense a chance to make a play on the football which is not really given in TTQB only passing.

What coaches have to understand is that there are a variety of methods for moving the football in the passing game. A bullet pass is what I would consider a TTQB pass, while a lead the receiver pass is the pass simulation or passing stick method. That is it. No reason to debate one over the other. The stick passing system has been assimilated into virtually ALL leagues and is here to stay.

The passing simulation method was designed for multi-stop MPFL football and is best used in that system. I can see why some of the one-stop pitch or pass coaches would see this as a problem as most of the players are generally rushing forward on defense and have limited ability to move or adjust their angles, pursuit, ect. Making it easier to complete a pass spells doom in that style of play so point taken.

I'd encourage all coaches to continue with the awesome innovations that are currently pushing the game of EF / MF forward rather than keeping it back with traditions that limit the options of the player. The goal that we in the MPFL share is to have this game to play as close to real NFL football as possible. That concept introduces dramatic changes and revisions to the game from the board size, to the timing of the quarters, to the enforcement of the penalties, to the xs and os of the game. In this case, we are moving toward a more realistic chess match with regard to options for passing the football. TTQB, and Pass Simulation. The option is up to the coach and varies greatly according to the situation. For example, if you are an accurate TTQB passer throwing inside the 15 yd line, it is a good look to use the TTQB to bullet the pass through the coverage. Catch...and TD. In situations where you are trailing late in the game, you'll want to throw deeper passes. Lob it up and let the WR go and get it. The defense also gets a chance to move for in for the interception.

Attempts to stymie coaches by saying that stick passing is unskilled or easy in some way is to show a lack of understanding of how the game is currently played and the options that are available in the new EF.

If you guys aren't careful, you're going to end up in my next "greatest haters" poll.

I agree. To each his own. House rules are more than cool. As long as everyone agrees to them BEFORE the game, tournament or league starts.

[Silverhorse 228]

With all do respect...all leagues do not use passing sticks and the HHEFL certainly doesn't. I talked with Anthony yesterday about the MPFL system and BigFranco is right...house rules are cool. Maybe once I see the video we might consider using them, my problem with muti-stop is that you are sacrificing stragedy over action. For me...and this is just my opinion, so please no one get upset...for me muti-stop is too much stopping. If you have more than three stops on one play, then it takes two minutes to complete a play. So I guess what I am saying is to make the game more realistic we need to have balance. I am going to get the video from Anthony,then I am going to try to tweak the system a little bit to fit my need for "perpetual motion".

I do love the concept of leading a receiver...has anyone ever considered "muti-speed". Wouldn't it be cool if during a play you could press a button to make the board slow way down and actually try to complete the pass to a moving target! I have tried it and you want to talk about realistic!

Anyway, keep up the good discussion that is how we advance...new and better ideas. I will get my money out to you this week Anthony if you are reading this and thanks again for the phone call...it is always a pleasure talking with you.

Fellas,

There's no need for controversy here! This is a passing method designed by Anthony Burgess for his Weighted Multi-Stoppage System. And that's O.K.!
The TTQB is cumbersome to many. It requires hand and dexterity that many donot posse and requires years of practice. Look at all of the great passers;they have been doing this for years! A great TTQB passer only needs to get one man open and he can move the ball even if his team is not that good or well tweaked. Many will say , "Hey, I'm a great coach!" Believe what you want. Passing sticks keeps jokers honest! If you have a well tweaked team. A team with receivers who are straight and fast, I guarantee' they will double team your players or try to hold they at the LOS! They know that if your player completes a stick pass, chances are they can't catch them once the pass is complete! Pass placement was designed to keep the game/ball on the board. It always receivers to run routes. It allows the defense an honest play on the ball and it forces the offense to make the right decison. It keeps the game moving, active and fun. There are many variations of the "stick pass" since it was adopted by leagues across the country,but the rules must be clear and effective. The real question for those of us who play One stop, picth or pass is "Turning Players and the Clock"! HHmmm?

[Reginald Rutledge]

I would be interested to know what 99 out of 100 leagues use pass placement? If there is factual information to this knowledge, I would be surprised but definitely would want to know. With EFLers, nothing surpises me but I was just curious when I read the one post regarding that.

I guess we need to stop having the Texas Shootout because the DFW is the only league that plays with the TTQB!

Reggie, Reg,

Many leagues/tournaments use only the TTQB. I can't get my big jumbo's around the figure right. I've practiced and practiced ,but I can't pull of that shot all the time. You know how us BIG dudes do it! Sometime you gotta hold d'em down and stuff that turkey instead of slicing it! Pass simulation incombination with a TTQB is the only way to go. Other that that I'm gonna run on yah all day long partner! And it will be the LONGEST DAY YOU'll eber Play! Ain't that right Jim Davis! Haw Haw Haw! PILLGrimmm!

[Reginald Rutledge]

Tron,

You know we're boys and the great thing about the game is you can agree to disagree. But I guess one of the things that PO's guys off is this thing about guys thinking that if they scream the loudest, that becomes the authority, or the intimidation of do it my way or you don't get it.

Personally, I don't care for it. Like Mike said, I think it's a crutch for spending the time working on your game. But if that's what keeps you active in a game, that's all good. But you know Dawg, I hate when guys come on here with total fallacies, thinking anyone will believe what they say! I need factual information showing that.

To some, the TTQB is cumbersome but most who had trouble as kids throwing with the passer has taken that into their adult life. All I know is that when you've got a room full of people standing over you, in the comforts of a small scale stadium, and the clock is running down for you to throw the pass and make the play, it is not as easy as it looks!

It's a very difficult proposition. I have seen so-called great TTQB passers struggle going 6-27 in passing! So it's not a given that if a man is open, you should be able to hit him.

I have vowed never to play in competitions where I can not use the skills that I have worked on for many years if the other coach does not have to utilize that same skill. It would not be worth my time and efforts. But if time permit and the guy has shown me luv, I definitely would come and support the game.
I think to each his own but I do think guys need to have "the facts" before throwing out blanket statements. Just my opinon.

Reg

[Silverhorse 228]

Reggie..please check your pm I have an important message for you...

[beenutt]

Miggle and TSO are two out of the 5 or 6 major tournaments throughout the year that do not use the sticks. That is about 40% of the major tournaments that will not allow the sticks. The Bama Blast started using the sticks about three years ago. The creators of the Bama Blast thought long and hard about the sticks and I think it was actually voted down the first year it was brought up. I am glad that some tournaments do not allow the sticks because it provides for a different way of playing - more traditional efl.

For me, the sticks provide some added strategy. I've noticed that it makes you keep your safeties honest because you certainly don't want the receivers to get behind you with the chance of hitting the sticks on a long bomb. I also like the excitement using the passing sticks. It is very exciting to me to see a receiver and a defender go for the ball. It also increases the need for speedy defenders which I like. It also creates pass interference plays which creates excitement!

I have noticed (especially beginner coaches) will use the sticks as a crutch. All coaches need to listen to this: YOU MUST BE A GOOD TO GREAT PASSER WITH THE TTQB TO BE SUCCESSFUL in the major EF tournaments! All you have to do is look at the past champions in all of the tournaments for the past 5-6 years. If you can pass with the TTQB, you will increase your chances to win immensely. And with the skill that you gain by throwing the ball, you can still use the sticks if you need to!

beenutt

[rjackson]

....Reg the LAEFL, LVEFL and the Tri-Valley Football Club all use the TTQB and would never consider the sticks unless someone has a disability, other then that we use the skill side of the game. TTQB all the way baby!!! I have to say that I think that the sticks are a crutch but everyone is entitled to their own set of rules. As a community this is one of the things that separates us from each other is that some don't like the TTQB and some do.

Believe me when I first got back into the Hobby I couldn't pass worth a ----!!! Then came a day I started practicing and figured out how to get this thing going. I was told in my first year I wasn't going to win a game, I lost 1 game the whole season and went 16-1 and won the LAEFL championship. Since my first year when I was in the adolescence stage of passing, I led the league in passing every year after that and believe me no-one keeps just one safety back against RJ now. So to me that is the joy of the game, because with that skill it makes people defend you differently and keeps them honest.

To me everyone has their way of playing but my way is the TTQB!!!

Just my nickel's worth!!!