Heeve Ho Thoughts In Miniature Football

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by jimmie

16 points huh?Well check this out the best way to defend the pass is get the quarterback ask any coach this is number one! all that other stuff well it is what it is other stuff!!If the guy with the ball is on the ground the play is dead!!

Hey Jimmie

I know that we both play music, you play the guitar. Well if you play a song that has 24 notes in it, you would need to play "ALL THE NOTES" in order to play thae song, i.e. make music.

However if you just play one note then you're not playing music but making noise Right?

Well playing defense is the same way, one area doesn't make for a gooe defense, you need all areas, the same as you need to play all the notes to a song in order to make music.

[detroitchild]

Anthony, how does your method of play translate in solitaire games?

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

Hey Jimmie

I know that we both play music, you play the guitar. Well if you play a song that has 24 notes in it, you would need to play "ALL THE NOTES" in order to play thae song, i.e. make music.

However if you just play one note then you're not playing music but making noise Right?

Well playing defense is the same way, one area doesn't make for a gooe defense, you need all areas, the same as you need to play all the notes to a song in order to make music.

[mantaraydre]

Coaches


You guy's say play better defense but how much can you do against the traditional style. Thebasic is to line someone up in front of the receiver and hope the receiver is held up long enough until some sort of pass rush gets there.(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL STYLES). i WISH SOMEONE CAN ENLIGHTEN ME ON THIS. I see some coaches line up all there defense players straight accross in hopes a receiver and rb do not cross the picket line. It's a wrestle to see if the receiver can get by and the db can hold him up at the line of scrim. coaches send loopers until the offense figures out to cut them off with te's

All i am saying is ti a nice thing to see the db running along side the wr's, then you can adjust the receiver to break that route and run another. If the receiver breaks into another route there must be someone in position to make a play on the ball if that s the primary target. I have a playbook at my desk and one section has wr routes. I am following the lines of ythe route imagining it is a mf player. You can run these routes with your mf men via the stoppages. It cool to run a flypattern the board stop then adjust him to either

1) comeback

2)out route to the side lines

3)curl pattern

4)button hook

etc etc etc

If you can invision this route you can run it. The beauty also is those db's lb's and safties can follow him to make a play on the ball . OR MEET HIM TO DELIVER THE BOOM ALA RAY LEWIS. "SEND SOMEBODY ELSE OVER THE MIDDLE"

When ant discusses defense, that qb must buy time and will be leary where to place those sticks due to defenders in the area holding there positions.(via magnets)

the defensive line must get after the qb. In the MPFL system, your qb can drop as far as you want him to go (via magnetic bar placed behind the qb )he drops back and hits that bar to hold his position for the pass. If defenders are on his tail, during the next stoppage, you can place that same bar to the left or right to simulate a scramble. (buying time until the receivers completes those routes . Your defensive line must be aware of the magnetic bar scramble. That's why if your db's run and cover step for step ala "neon deon"
that qb must worry and the coverage is ready to make a play.

Don hudson of the DFW is the only guy i know who has his men back peddling to make a play. He showed myself and kev boddie this at the hotel when i was out there. he said he rather have a coach dink and dunk in front of him rather that to lose the battle at the line of scrim and get burned for a big play. Mike robertson told me once if you look at the averages eventually the receiver is going to break free due to the current/buzz/electricity/vibration.

This is all i was saying in another post THAT WAS HAPPENING TO ME ALL THE TIME. (PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE KEY WORD IS ME ME ME ME ME )

ALL I WAS SAYING THAT ONCE ARTLAX, OR HEALY'S GUY'S BROKE FREE, I KNEW THEY WOULD MAKE THE PASS BECAUSE THEY ARE ACCURATE PASSERS
When one of there players broke open it is almost automatic 99%.
(you can do only but so much to account for everyone if a guy is a accurate ttqb or tdq passer.) THAT WAS MY FRUSTRATION, NOT THE B.A.M ITSELF

if someone has a layout on stopping open receivers in the traditonal style of play i would like to see it.


THANX FOR KEEPING THIS POST CIVIL AND EDUCATIONAL


MANTARAYDRE

[FrustratedFinFan]

There are a couple ways:

1) Use those lockdown corners, like Buzzball makes, on strong bases. They can control many receivers. Also, Reggie make custom CB that has his arms out front and it simply knocks receivers down. It kind of sucks when it happens to you....so why not do it to your opponent? I believe these players can be beaten....but why make it easy for the offense by not using such figures?

2) Align your guys to knock receivers off their routs. Or, you can use the same concept a different way...line up your DB's at angles so that when the WR hits them, your DB turns and runs with the WR. You can use the DB's outstretched arms (if he has them) to get that same turning action.

3) Bring pressure up the middle on the QB. Everyone is geared to stop loopers and the middle might be a better place to attack. Strong D-linemen are good here...also think about shooting gaps with arrow bases. Be creative in blitzing. Maybe your opponent has a couple blockers you can't beat. Heck....if that is the case, then go where they aren't. It is a chess match then, but at least keep them guessing.

4) Have tall players in various defensive positions, or wide players with outstretched arms....they help to clog passing lanes and make throwing risky.

5) Consider having some guys playing zone.....spinning on TTC's.....they do look kind of silly, but can serve a purpose. Also....get some of your guys on ITZ dials. They can then move in any way you can imagine.....slants, sideways, smooth backpedal....anything.

Hope this helps. I am not a very seasoned coach, but I have learned some good tricks through experiences both good and bad!!!

[The Rookie]

Very well put FFan I also find it hard to stop recievers but I will watch and ask people to find out more
I like what F. Fan said and will try some of those things myself

[artlax]

Originally Posted by FrustratedFinFan

There are a couple ways:

1) Use those lockdown corners, like Buzzball makes, on strong bases. They
3) Bring pressure up the middle on the QB. Everyone is geared to stop loopers and the middle might be a better place to attack. Strong D-linemen are good here...also think about shooting gaps with arrow bases. Be creative in blitzing. Maybe your opponent has a couple blockers you can't beat. Heck....if that is the case, then go where they aren't. It is a chess match then, but at least keep them guessing.

4) Have tall players in various defensive positions, or wide players with outstretched arms....they help to clog passing lanes and make throwing risky.

5) Consider having some guys playing zone.....spinning on TTC's.....they do look kind of silly, but can serve a purpose. Also....get some of your guys on ITZ dials. They can then move in any way you can imagine.....slants, sideways, smooth backpedal....anything.

Hope this helps. I am not a very seasoned coach, but I have learned some good tricks through experiences both good and bad!!!

Excellent schemes/tactics that work!

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

Coaches


You guy's say play better defense but how much can you do against the traditional style. Thebasic is to line someone up in front of the receiver and hope the receiver is held up long enough until some sort of pass rush gets there.(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL STYLES). i WISH SOMEONE CAN ENLIGHTEN ME ON THIS. I see some coaches line up all there defense players straight accross in hopes a receiver and rb do not cross the picket line. It's a wrestle to see if the receiver can get by and the db can hold him up at the line of scrim. coaches send loopers until the offense figures out to cut them off with te's

All i am saying is ti a nice thing to see the db running along side the wr's, then you can adjust the receiver to break that route and run another. If the receiver breaks into another route there must be someone in position to make a play on the ball if that s the primary target. I have a playbook at my desk and one section has wr routes. I am following the lines of ythe route imagining it is a mf player. You can run these routes with your mf men via the stoppages. It cool to run a flypattern the board stop then adjust him to either

1) comeback

2)out route to the side lines

3)curl pattern

4)button hook

etc etc etc

If you can invision this route you can run it. The beauty also is those db's lb's and safties can follow him to make a play on the ball . OR MEET HIM TO DELIVER THE BOOM ALA RAY LEWIS. "SEND SOMEBODY ELSE OVER THE MIDDLE"

When ant discusses defense, that qb must buy time and will be leary where to place those sticks due to defenders in the area holding there positions.(via magnets)

the defensive line must get after the qb. In the MPFL system, your qb can drop as far as you want him to go (via magnetic bar placed behind the qb )he drops back and hits that bar to hold his position for the pass. If defenders are on his tail, during the next stoppage, you can place that same bar to the left or right to simulate a scramble. (buying time until the receivers completes those routes . Your defensive line must be aware of the magnetic bar scramble. That's why if your db's run and cover step for step ala "neon deon"
that qb must worry and the coverage is ready to make a play.

Don hudson of the DFW is the only guy i know who has his men back peddling to make a play. He showed myself and kev boddie this at the hotel when i was out there. he said he rather have a coach dink and dunk in front of him rather that to lose the battle at the line of scrim and get burned for a big play. Mike robertson told me once if you look at the averages eventually the receiver is going to break free due to the current/buzz/electricity/vibration.

This is all i was saying in another post THAT WAS HAPPENING TO ME ALL THE TIME. (PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE KEY WORD IS ME ME ME ME ME )

ALL I WAS SAYING THAT ONCE ARTLAX, OR HEALY'S GUY'S BROKE FREE, I KNEW THEY WOULD MAKE THE PASS BECAUSE THEY ARE ACCURATE PASSERS
When one of there players broke open it is almost automatic 99%.
(you can do only but so much to account for everyone if a guy is a accurate ttqb or tdq passer.) THAT WAS MY FRUSTRATION, NOT THE B.A.M ITSELF

if someone has a layout on stopping open receivers in the traditonal style of play i would like to see it.


THANX FOR KEEPING THIS POST CIVIL AND EDUCATIONAL


MANTARAYDRE

Dre

I don't think they get it, they have not answered you're question about the pass routes run by the receiver and how to run them.

The only focus on (the figures) they are not addressing the most important part, the intelligence of the player.

Changing or using a different figure is just covering up he issue, like adding new paint, tires, body design to an old car that has 30 hourse power, and trying to pass it off as a car that has 300 hourse power.

Only unlil you change the engine will you effect the hole car.

Now for what you're looking for out of this hobby you are not going to find it in the current area you're looking.

Many are happy the way that they play and are not looking for the details in football, and that is fine and clear by the responce you have received thus far.

Lock Down Corner i,e, (Holding)
Player spinning around in a circle (in a zone but looks stupid) There is a better way to achieve this.
Even when the DB turns and runs with the receiver he cant make a play on the ball.
etc.......

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by detroitchild

Anthony, how does your method of play translate in solitaire games?

With reguards to solitaire game,....

When playing in solitaire you will see that it is a double fold benefit, only if you're honest. You become a better coach on both sides of the ball because you are learning the responsibility of each position on the field and how each plays a part in the play even if they don't make the tackle.

You understand the "Team" element, Together Everyone Achieves More !!!!

What you find is that the game looks like, reacts like, plays like just what you see on TV on sundays. Even the stats are in line.

There are no unrealistic stats, you will have everything happen right infront of you, interceptions, sacks, fumbles, penalties, etc

Unlike how you might be playing, (no disrespect) this will raise you're football I.Q. in that you see and understand the positions and how it is to function properly and that it depends on YOU AND THE CHOICES YOU MAKE, not on how well you can tweak, or use the TTQB, witch requires no football knowledge of position discipline what so ever.

Hear is an example, you have the coner on out side leverage (his position in close to the side line with the receiver inside)

You have a SS over top of the receiver ( Not allowing the receiver to get behind him)

The OLB playing his position properly.

Pressure on the QB by the DE, forcing the QB to either, scramble, throw to that receiver that is covered as stated above i.e. TTQB, or PP, stand in the posket and let the blockers keep in clean in the hopes that the receive will clear the coverage. ?

You have choices (4) each time the board stops, unlike (1) stop, (1-2) choices.

Just click on this
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/panthers.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/redskins.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/giants.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/browns.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/texans.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/patriots.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/teams/jaguars.htm


The states don't lie!!!! Just take you're time and go through each page, there is no other style that can come close to matching these stats

[artlax]

In looking at your stats pages - they don't look that much different than what is being posted in the BAM this season.

Take the time to check them out.

www.leaguelineup.com/bamfl

also - curious - how long does a game take to play in your system?
A game played between 2 coaches - not solitaire.

[sweetka]

The NFL has it's Tom Brady's and Joey Harrington's. When you play Joey, you lay back, have your D-Lineman say "Boo" and he is sure to deliver it to the other team. With Tom, if you don't knock him down he's gonna kill you. Even if you give Tom "Different Looks" he's still liable to kill you because of his intelligence, poise, and skill. Now Joey, he has all the tools but I feel his cowardice, and impulsive decision-making, as well as arrogance, keeps him from attaining the success he had in college.

I use this analogy because NO MATTER WHAT style you play, you should face the same obstacles. We have one coach in our league, Jim Davis, who is a powerful running team yet even when you combat his strength you then realize you also have to defeat the strategy of his play. His stats against most elite teams are in line with some of the postings I have reviewed. He needs a Jim McMahon/Trent Dilfer type quarterback to manage the game because you better respect his run. Conversely, Greg Hardman/Pat Casey have passing schemes to die for. Sure, they are accurate, but it's because they work on where the player will be, then practice the throws to those spots. Funny now that Greg is running, Jim is passing because they both realize the necessitiy of "Balance" in the tough GLEFL.

You have to identify what team you are playing, what strategy you will employ, then not be concerned with taking a bump or two. Remember, that's another intelligent human being trying to do what you are trying to prevent.

When I boxed years ago I learned three things: Respect your opponent, learn to think outside the box, make adjustments.

Being tall with long skinny arms I had to learn to utilize upper body movement, angles, and quick shortened counterpunches to keep from "coming down" to my opponent. Each solid punch my opponent would land just above my waist became an instant painful reminder of what I need to be doing WITH URGENCY!

I use the same theoretical approach to any style of EF. I try to minimize the damage my opponent can inflict then go hell bent if he blinks, wipes his face with his gloves, wince, or backs up.

You are in a four round boxing match. I don't care what style you play. If you can't cut it in one style, other styles only slightly improves your chances. Guys throwing 78/80 percent is common place in EF. When your chance comes on third and long you have to have the mindset, "No guts, No glory". I have a post regarding passing that a coach in your area is working on. It's a work in progress but watch the long term results. Oh yeah, it's free!

Go get em Dre'