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[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by Geno H

Also imagine 22 men weighted up to 10+ grams and the effect it would have on the board vibration. Just something else to consider.

It seems that Multi weighted rosters would create the kind of mismatches that would simulate "real" world conditions. This isnt my idea its just the best suggestion I have heard in the weight issue.


Geno H

The unlimited weight better simulates the "Real World Football Conditions" then all players weighing the same.

Well Stated

[mantaraydre]

MICH JOE, GENO, ELECT COACH, ANT AND ALL COACHES WHAT'S HAPPENING

This is a great detailed and understanding discusion. I hear great points never brought up before. I personally would not go past 5 or 6 grams. I brought thiese silver bricks in the jewlrey making section in michaels craft store. tHEY FIT NICELY UNDER A ROOKINE BASE. i DID NOT REALIZE THEY WERE SO HEAVY. I forgot what fig but it brought him up to 5.2 grams and the b.a.m is 4.0. Playing in the mpfl these would do just fine. I think 5 or 6 is good enough. the wr's and rb's i would keep light since i want the speeding down field during bump and run coverage.

The strength is also true. I had a 4.0 base pushed back by a 3.4 base. Even if someone is that much stronger . You can also run stunts if there is no stacking.


mantaraydre

[mozeek]

You will get manhandled @ 5-6 grams . I have weights if you need...i will bring them to our next playdate.......Remember the weight is unlimited

[mantaraydre]

mozeek,


if i am 5 to 6 grams, what weight will manhandle me. Im not sure what the weight's of off and def lineman are in ant's league. i going to build the best player possible. i think that's what ant was talking about coaching, if he turns 2 off lineman to throw a block during i stoppage, and they esch weigh 9.0, and my defensive line weigh's 6.They probably will blow me off the line of scrim. my linebackers are going to have to do there job.


mantaraydre

[mantaraydre]

att ant burgess



That is the best thing i heard in the hobby so far.


" the freedom for a coach to take his idea and see if it holds up against someone else's idea "

THAT MEANS EVERYTHING INCLUDED.

IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, there is no weight ceiling in the nfl. If a team could find a 525 pound defensive lineman that can run a 4.5 40. You dont think they are going to take him. The nfl does not say, EACH TEAM CANNOT HAVE A LINEMAN THAT IS MORE THAN 350 LBS (4.0)


MANTARAYDRE

[raiderhp]

These are really good posts guys.In my opinion, I can see the advantage that a team with more weight could possibly have would have over lighter opponents but I guess as long as it's within the 3.2-4.0 grams weight.It would kind of be similar to the stronger team-faster team typical NFL match-up.I also have had some success with a 3.2 team over 4.0 weights.Yous have to get very creative.Especially on defense and the running game.

raiderhp

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

att ant burgess



That is the best thing i heard in the hobby so far.


" the freedom for a coach to take his idea and see if it holds up against someone else's idea "

THAT MEANS EVERYTHING INCLUDED.

IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, there is no weight ceiling in the nfl. If a team could find a 525 pound defensive lineman that can run a 4.5 40. You dont think they are going to take him. The nfl does not say, EACH TEAM CANNOT HAVE A LINEMAN THAT IS MORE THAN 350 LBS (4.0)


MANTARAYDRE

I think we have gotten far away from the freedom of playing the game.

Remember when you're team was fast and you had to play a guy that every one knew was strong, you brought you're game plan, plays, in short you're scheme, ( gumm, cut pennies, nuts, etc) all was apart of you're scheme.

You had fun rather you won or not because you were able to play with what you brought to the table. I remember those days

But now some seek to do away with this type of freedom by making every one the same so that they can have a better chance at winning, and not be worried about anything.

Who would win in a race if every one ran at the same speed?
Who would be the strongest man if every one was the same?
What if we all dressed the same, drove the same car, had the same job?????

Diversity is what makes football so beautiful!

When you place a limit on something, ( 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 ) then you are placing a limit on how great this hobby can be!

This is why I broke away from the traditional way of playing, I was feeling like my coaching skill, football intelligence, and imagination was being hendered, stifled, smothered under the limits put in place to make everyone the same.

I am pleased that God has blessed me with a system that allows for me to think, to create, to coach, to adapt, to imagin, in short

I AM FREE

[mozeek]

Some linemen weigh upwards of 9-10 grams and have great speed...ask Boddie...i do not know specifics but i know 5-6 grams would be like having a 165lb running back in the backfield...like i said i have weights and can even show how to weight your team...there are many ways... I have played weighted before a loooooooooonnnnnnggggg time ago....so i am alittle familiar with the weighting of the bases...but to play under The MPFL System your football IQ needs to be at a Coaching Level. Execution of plays and know how to counter what play is being run is very key... your football knowledge has to be high...not electric football....REAL football knowledge...it is not just line 11 men up and go from there.......Chesslike....you need a strategy....

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

The unlimited weight better simulates the "Real World Football Conditions" then all players weighing the same.

Well Stated

I just want to be clear on my thoughts. I stated multi weight not unlimited.
The same mismatches can be realized without being umlimited.
Here is how I view it.

4.0 grams = up to a 400 lb player
3.3 grams = 250 to 300 lb player
under 3.3 = all other players

These are just my thoughts on the subject. I am not disagreeing or agreeing with any one group or set of rules. Just thinking of the current equipment we all have and how to get the most enjoyment without spending more money or making anything obsolete.

Geno H

[artlax]

Very good points, Geno.

Especially now with a tight economy.