The Reason for Pass Simulation (stick passing)

[Anthony D Burgess]

You're right. With the use of PP there also needs tobe magnets, and controled stoppages, this causes the defender to be able to knock the ball down, or either pick it off.

It is a matter of throwing a bullet pass, TTQB or lead the the receiver PP

PP was not intended for one stop due to the conditions of that playing environment.

Originally Posted by bigredtops

We use the TTQB in our leauge. So if you use the sticks, you rarly have an incompletion do you? I was just trying to figure it out. The one time I've played with them, zero incompletions. Now, you can still use the ttcqb with the sticks right?

I'm learing I'm learning...I just need to see it in play....no matter what you use, or do. We should all come into it with an open mind. Nobodys is right, nobody is wrong. Its a hobby we all enjoy...have fun!!! I want to learn both ways..as beenutt said, depending on the tourny you have to be able to do both. So, I want to be good at all ways to pass....

[Anthony D Burgess]

That's it!!!!!!!

We just need to know the facts first, and play on what works for how you play.

I want to thank you foe you're question and having an open mind.

Originally Posted by bigredtops

I'm learing I'm learning...I just need to see it in play....no matter what you use, or do. We should all come into it with an open mind. Nobodys is right, nobody is wrong. Its a hobby we all enjoy...have fun!!! I want to learn both ways..as beenutt said, depending on the tourny you have to be able to do both. So, I want to be good at all ways to pass....

This is a hobby I enjoy. People get upset over silly things sometimes...to me..there is no right or wrong. There is great fun and fellowship. Meet new friends, not make new enemies. I'm happy to learn anyway I can to play. Whos right? Who knows? Who Cares? Since getting back into miniature football, a year ago, Ive seen people say this person is right or this person is wrong. Do what you like, how you like it. The big thing is....JUST HAVE FUN. I keep posting about advice for the tourny I'm gonna have, the battle of the bluegrass. I never get a response on any help or what people would like to see. I want the house rules to be everyones imput. I want it to be like no other tourny, just need some help. SO, does anyone have ideas for me...please...LOL... House rules rock....just have fun.
WORD!!!!

[TVsCHACHI]

6 in one hand
1/2 dozen in the other.

[Shabby J]

Originally Posted by TVsCHACHI

6 in one hand
1/2 dozen in the other.

My grandma used to say:

"************ in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first".

Good ol' grandma, of course she said it in Italian, not until I was older did I realize what she was saying all those years.

I my opinion, passing sticks are in no way a crutch, they can be and are used by some as a crutch, but that is the person's perogative. Any man worth his salt should know how to use the TTQB, there is no doubt about it. The sticks have a place too though, but in serious MF the TTQB will always rule. I have brought the game to work in the past and some dudes were all pumped up, we played at lunch a time or two and they could not get the TTQB, in this instance the sticks made for some exciting games.

You have to learn the TTQB again, but the sticks can make for some good ball in the mean time. The other good thing about them is they can be adapted to many different rule sets and hybrid versions of play. They are a good thing!

That's my two cents worth!

Shabby J

[mklingbeil]

Guys,
After talking on the phone one night with the great Mike Pratt, he said that the style of play we use in our solitaire league was "perfect" for pass...I don't even know what you call it yet (simulation, emulation, evolution...whatever). I told him he was absolutely nuts, that would never happen! I LOVE the TTQB, he is the one piece of equipment that gets you on the field. Plus, I have always been a fairly accurate passer, so I like being good at something.

However, the more we played, the more we thought about it. In our style, DBscannot run forward and hold the WR at the line of scrimmage (perhaps we should allow the Cowboys to do that, since the NFL does too). We HAVE to play zones, drop our DBs back, and play coverage. With TTQB passing though, there was almost always an open receiver with few players around them, so we adapted rules to make it harder to pass. We had a very liberal sack and pressure rule that meant you could only have the board on a short time. We also added a rule that the pass was complete to the LAST person it touched, so if you threw a "bullet" pass and hit the WR, but it ricochets and bounced on the ground and then hit a defensive player, it was an interception. That kept it workable, but not ideal.

Finally, we experimented with pass ******** in our league. Pratt was right, it was SO much more enjoyable! Now, we were playing those zones, but the DBs could make a move towards the ball. It made absolute sense! I still miss throwing with the TTQB once in a while, but the trade-off is well worth it.

Now here is my issue in tournaments and leagues...I don't mind playing by either style, just definitely NOT both!!! The things you do defensively to try and stop TTQB passing are completely different than what I would do against pass placement. Using both is the BIGGEST crutch EVER! It in no way rewards the defense. If your coverage is tight, TTQB; if not, pass placement...that stinks! Pick one, argue its merits, and play with it!

Just my one cent (I'm a teacher, I can't afford two cents),
Mark

PS. For those who are looking for more than one stop play, but not willing to invest the time to play multi-stop, give me an e-mail. I have some cool rules for our solitaire league you might just like. It has all the individuality of one-stop, where the players dictate game play but with much more realism built into the game. Before anyone worries, I could care less if someone plays the game my way or not. I will not be on here pitching my style constantly, but I have borrowed so much from you guys, I feel like if someone finds something they like from what we do, that would be like giving back.

[Kansas Bill]

Originally Posted by mklingbeil

Guys,
After talking on the phone one night with the great Mike Pratt, he said that the style of play we use in our solitaire league was "perfect" for pass...I don't even know what you call it yet (simulation, emulation, evolution...whatever). I told him he was absolutely nuts, that would never happen! I LOVE the TTQB, he is the one piece of equipment that gets you on the field. Plus, I have always been a fairly accurate passer, so I like being good at something.

However, the more we played, the more we thought about it. In our style, DBscannot run forward and hold the WR at the line of scrimmage (perhaps we should allow the Cowboys to do that, since the NFL does too). We HAVE to play zones, drop our DBs back, and play coverage. With TTQB passing though, there was almost always an open receiver with few players around them, so we adapted rules to make it harder to pass. We had a very liberal sack and pressure rule that meant you could only have the board on a short time. We also added a rule that the pass was complete to the LAST person it touched, so if you threw a "bullet" pass and hit the WR, but it ricochets and bounced on the ground and then hit a defensive player, it was an interception. That kept it workable, but not ideal.

Finally, we experimented with pass ******** in our league. Pratt was right, it was SO much more enjoyable! Now, we were playing those zones, but the DBs could make a move towards the ball. It made absolute sense! I still miss throwing with the TTQB once in a while, but the trade-off is well worth it.

Now here is my issue in tournaments and leagues...I don't mind playing by either style, just definitely NOT both!!! The things you do defensively to try and stop TTQB passing are completely different than what I would do against pass placement. Using both is the BIGGEST crutch EVER! It in no way rewards the defense. If your coverage is tight, TTQB; if not, pass placement...that stinks! Pick one, argue its merits, and play with it!

Just my one cent (I'm a teacher, I can't afford two cents),
Mark

PS. For those who are looking for more than one stop play, but not willing to invest the time to play multi-stop, give me an e-mail. I have some cool rules for our solitaire league you might just like. It has all the individuality of one-stop, where the players dictate game play but with much more realism built into the game. Before anyone worries, I could care less if someone plays the game my way or not. I will not be on here pitching my style constantly, but I have borrowed so much from you guys, I feel like if someone finds something they like from what we do, that would be like giving back.

I definitely would like to see what the "cool rules for solitaire" are.. I haven't had much time to think about it.. but I wanted to tweak my solitaire pass rules.. thanks.. Could ya email them to bill.brent@att.net