Weight 3.2,4.0 or unlimited, which do u prefer?

[broncoman]

NOT ABOUT ADDING WEIGH OR PAINT BUT THE SIZE OF MEN. WHEN YOU MAKE MEN THAT CAN'T MAKE WEIGH, YOU MOVE UP THE WEIGH SCALE. AS NOBERT and I said, when do we stop going up in weigh and just stick with one weigh. we as a group need to find a common weigh and stick with it.
then maybe we can pull it all together and be on the same page with everything.


broncoman

Accepting all of the figures and bases that are available to us, we have to incorporate all, some or none as "standard." Albeit, the original logical "standard" that was set by committee some time ago was 3.2 grams, based on the heaviest figure (Haiti DB) and the heaviest base (TTC).

I don't know - or care - EXACTLY who did it, but since there was no patent, copyright or money involved, who really cares? The point is 3.2 was set and has been the "standard' for almost 10 years! We have, for this period of time, labelled any league/individual that plays above that weight as "weighted" regardless of how they accomplished the increase i.e. baby oil, lead tape, nuts, bolts, screws, etc. That's not the point. The "standard" is.

While the "standard" was set, Buzzball figures and Haiti Repros come onto the scene. They MET the "standard." FootballFigures came about, originally as collector pieces for alumni and NOT for MF, but nonetheless their weight increase is now the "STANDARD" in almost 10 different leagues!?! That is where "4.0" came from.

Shortly after, Miggle produced their ProLine TTCs with 8 prongs vs. the previous base's 4. Obviously, there was an increase in weight and as Norbert and Jim Davis have shared a few times, the weight increase was 0.1 grams on average. Even the newer colored TTCs produced by Miggle have increased in weight a tad bit, bumping Miggle's "standard" up to 3.3 grams.

So, because I like to use everyone's stuff, and I've created my own set of Hybrid Rules that I use in my Traveling College Season (last year ILLINOIS, this year ARMY) and because I have ALWAYS believed all player combinations SHOULD NOT weigh the same, I took a poll awhile ago, both on Miggle's Chatboard and on here and came up with the 3 weight classes. These 3 different weight classes simulate REAL football in as much as RBs and WRs DO NOT weigh as much as OL and DL!!! Nor should they. At least I don't think so. Very few RBs have success blocking a bull-rushing DL. When they both weigh the same, and assuming that both bases are somewhat equally tweaked (in most leagues the same person prolly tweaked 'em!?!), the outcome is not as exciting as seeing a 3.6g RB take on a 4.0 DE. If the DE wins that battle, then you pretty much assumed as much. BUT...if that 3.6g RB pancakes that 4.0 DE...!!!! Then you can do your best Chris "Smokey" Tucker impersonation and say, "DAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG!!! YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FRAK OUT!!!!!!!!!"

I do agree with Pratt, Norbit and RIP when they say boards are more important than the tweak. My POV comes from me playing on a 24" x 48" big board. Lil speedy guys will just eat dirt on KRs and scrawny OL/DL will get waylayed by stouter players, granted they're the AWAY team. The converse would most likely happen when MICHIGAN travels to APPALACHIAN STATE. The heavier, beefier guys may drag their feet on a smaller board since the vibes aren't gonna be as high as they have to be to push the bigger board.

When I come to your place, I'm playing YOUR way. When you come to my place, you're playing MY way. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't divide the hobby. It just gives it more choices. Just like slot cars or railroading.

Play anyway you want, JUST PLAY!!!

[andre kc]

Here's my take on this, why not just go back to 3.2 and just stay there, and why do we need to be at 4.0? to me the player's play the same at 3.2 as they do at 4.0.

[Michigan Joe]

AMEN on the board performance. So...look what boards that new (uninformed) people entering the hobby are buying. I for one wasted a lot of money on equipment that don't come close to the level of performance as custom boards etc. How much do people have to spend to figure it out? Its a shame really.

Jimbo- I'm with you, I fully support the "local flavors"... that being play under the rules where you go.

Norbert- I apologize if I misrepresented the traditional 3.2 standard in any way by discussing my opinon of the weighted performance, it was never my intention. I think I've commented that the heavier players run better and I feel I should clarify that. I should have stated that IN MY EXPERIENCE heavier weights (and in particular a heavier base with lower center of gravity) are inherently more balanced and run smoother and with more directional accuracy with far LESS TWEAKING required. I stand by this as this is my personal experience. Now having said that, when the time is put as RD acknowledges (with good tweaking) I completely agree that a sub 3g figure performs absolutely splendid! You are a true "master tweaker" and I can say with first hand knowledge that your players perform on a level that is amazing- after all meeting you more than a year ago and seeing the game played at such a high level was one of the biggest reasons I pursued the hobby further. I simply answered the question that the thread asked, and that is that I prefer weighted because I like the way the players (on average) perform on any board. In fact I'll take it a step further and say that I believe that a heavier base (2.0g+) design would greatly inhance the game. You know what though, my My Mike Hart is under 3.0 and untweaked and he's brilliant (and I aint changing him)!

[Michigan Joe]

Scott,
I just read your post, and I share your sentiments of compromise and all inclusiveness. That to me is the most important thing to take out of a discussion like this.
Joe

[Electric Coach]

Has anyone ever thought about playing varied weights at different years? An example would be, this year’s tournament will be 3.2g. Next years tournament will be 3.6g; the year after that 4.0g will be the tournament weight. This way coaches will get the chance to play on all levels if they choose.

As far as newcomers are concerned, allow them to play where they feel comfortable. This hobby is moving ahead. We don’t have time or the luxury to slow down. For the newcomer it’s like jumping on to a train pulling out of the station.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[rjackson]

........I have competed in leagues with 3.3 and 4.0. I prefer the 4.0 weight. Everybody is talking about this weight and that weight but if you can coach it doesn't matter what weight you are competing at. I know Broncoman personally and this is no shot at him but that dude doesn't like change.

I know what he does like for sure is a slow field so he can see the pressure coming, which to me is Horse ----, but that's his way of competing. The 4.0 gameplay let's you jack that board speed up without losing the performance of the athlete.

[Coach Rip]

If tweaked properly one doesn't have to have the board screaming to experience a faster paced game.

[Electric Coach]

Correct me if I am wrong. Is this discussion about weight or board speed? Regardless of the speed at which the board is at, the heavier team is going to push the lighter team backwards. If a complete 4.0 team plays against a complete 3.2 team, the 3.2 team will get pushed backwards whether the board is fast or slow. That push will be most evident at the line of scrimmage.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[rjackson]

.......which weight do you prefer??? Coach Rip I understand what you are saying but everyone in the DFWEFL can tweak bases, please don't get the weight desire of 4.0 confused with us not being able to tweak bases!! We would love for you to join us for the TSO labor day weekend. I am pretty sure it is a lot of us in the DFWEFL that would like to get some of that tail!!!

We know it would be a learning curve for you with the fast paced game that we play but we will put on kid gloves for you!! BTW leave the STICKS at HOME if you join us!!!!