TALKING 4.0 OR MORE WEIGHT ONLY?

[mantaraydre]

Coaches,

For those of you who like to play at 4.0 or unlimited weight, please share your thoughts on wanting to play heavier. This has nothing to do with 3.2. I am taking a survey on what is attractive about the heavier figure. There are coaches making there buzzball, miggle and haiti repro's heavier than the norm.

1) Is it performance on the field ?

2) is it you experimented and just liked the heavier feel ?

3)is it for strength reason's ?


WHAT MADE YOU SAY, I LIKE 4.0 OR MORE WEIGHT ?


For me, and i said this a million times. i wanted to build a team in my creation entirely and the other coach do the same. This is why i joined the MPFL. it's your idea vs my idea. Your 4.8 linebacker vs my shake and bake 3.9 tailback. I wanted to see my team built to my spec's. BULLS UP FRONT AND CHEETAH'S IN BACK. I paticularly like a slice of lead tape on my players. My Andre Davis of the TEXANS is a ff.net figure with lead tape that shakes out to 3.9 . He can fly down field like rodney king on a friday night. He ran back a kick off or two during his travels. I personally like the heavier more durable feel to the player..

So i am asking others who enjoy the more hefty player who laughs at jenny craig. Diet, what diet, were talking about diets.


WHAT DID YOU SEE or FEEL PLAYING THE HEAVIER WEIGHT ?


THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[Tomkat]

Without a doubt in my mind, weight makes a difference, (I know some say otherwise). Put a brick on a ttc and tell me if it is stronger, weaker or no different than a base without one. In the Bluegrass EFL, we have a 4.0 limit only because you have to have a max somewhere. We do not allow adding weight, only taking weight off if too heavy. They are what they are. If a figure weighs 1.9, don't put him on the line. To answer your question, for performance.

[Hook'em Horns]

1st reason - Bigger, Faster, Stronger!!! Bigger figures can be used at higher weights, The speed of the set can be higher with more weight (at lower weights and higher speeds, figures tend to fall over more), The figs are Stronger with more weight.

2nd reason - Customizing - A lot of time custom poses add on a few grams.

3rd reason - Stabalization of figures - Some figures are top heavy or the design of them are off. The use of weight allows you to balance that figure with th proper placing of the weight

Just my opinion!

[Jim Davis]

copy that , what mike said

[Raven maniac]

...I like what Dre' and Mike stated as reasons. I do like the fact that I can have a RB at 3.4 or 3.5, but a line at 4.0. I have TE at 3.9 to help with the run blocks, but also TE at 3.4 that can get open down the seam. The options are what drew me to 4.0. But all the same I would never knock 3.2 because I have several teams at 3.2 that play very well.


Darrian

[mantaraydre]

Coaches,


As i stated in my opening post, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 3.2. I am only looking for reasons why coaches enjoy playing at a heavier weight. Answers like what mike roberstson and darrian were the perfect answers. Just what they enjoy about a bigger and diverse weighted player. I specifically said this has nothing to do with 3.2 so this could be a open forum on the 4.0 without any debate occuring. I did not want to see any answers on leagues changing to a higher weight or tourneys changing there in place rule set. I totally understand why coaches like the lighter weight class. They all have there reasons for loving a 3.2 style of play. Many coaches have great 3.2 teams. But on this one paticular post, that's not the girl i asked to dance with. I WOULD HAVE BEGUN THIS POST AS, " WHY IS YOUR 4.0 TEAM BETTER THAN A 3.2 TEAM ?" I specifically left out 3.2 so this worm would not turn again.

Back to thee original quesh, what is it about 4.0 or higher that attracts you to the weight,

1)The choice of figures ? Some coaches love haiti repro's and the fab five but i paticulary dont. Just due to there look i am not attracted to those girls. I like the miggle prolines and reg's ff.net figures. FOR ME PERSONALLY, i like the feel of picking up the heaviever bulkier player plus they are more detailed for my eye. reg made me a bronco nagurski that i can not see made on any other figure. The size and detail are incredible. I to have a miggle nagurski that looks nice but nothing like the ff.net figure.

I also have figures from bill porsche that are bigger and bulkier but fit in the 3.8 to 4.0 range. Coaches say those are some hefty lineman and i love them.

Some of my best perorming players come from 5-13 and wellington innovations. They are smaller figures but i love the look and design on them. They are on my black mantaray's that are 4.0. One fig came in second to jerry fulton in the speed contest at the last texas shootout. My personal liking, these lighter figures perform like crazy when you add the weight to them.

I hear several coaches swear by HAITI REPRO'S and i agree with them. They perform outstanding. I saw this at the buzzball on minneapolis tom's teams. He told me they are the best at performance due to there balance. Norbert agreed and many other in the room. I just dont like the look of those figures to want and make a team out of them.

You must play with what you like. The time, passion and effort in creating a team, your team to play with is a personal choice. If you love a figure that is bigger or bigger custom's, that choice is out there for you. It does not make sense to create a team with figures you dont paticualry care for. Because eventually, that team is going into the box and used maybe for a pratice team down the line.

I have seen some customs with haiti repro's from megawatz, they are on jerry fulton's patriots. He is the best out here at customizing the smaller figures. They are unbelievable looking but i rather have the ff.net custom. I am attracted to that soft plastic. I am positive megawatz can do some crazy customs with the heavier fig's also if he has not already.

so coaches, 4.0 or unlimited weight enthusiast, why do you love thee larger gal ?????

For me personally, due to hand issue's, it is 1 million percent easier and more comfortable just to grab the larger figure while setting up. i like the feel of a little weight added. My first texas shootout Don hudson saw my players falling over and he went to his box and put nuts under there bases. After that they ran just fine. Whomever know's hudson can attest to this, he said, " You gotta get some weight under there BABE'BEE !" THE GREAT DON HUDSON.

I just read this quote from a model, " Today i plan on being me, and that's the only person i plan to be "

I ask you, "My fellow MFCAMERICANS, why do you like 4.0, and is that the weight you plan to play today, and tomorrow ? "


THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[Reginald Rutledge]

I love 4.0 because it allows for a wider base of figures without having to alter their natural stock look. That's really up to you.

I think that for what I like to do in playing the game, they have a better feel. The 4.0 guys seem to be more stable at higher speeds.

When I originally created the 4.0 system, it was aimed strictly at the DFW and being able to implement all figures. Originally I was not even going to play with the figures in the league until about 5 guys said they wanted to play with them.

And thus, the 4.0 gram class instituted.

It's kinda like the 3.2 gram system Dirk Thomas and I created more than 14 years ago. At that time, there was no standard. We just took a simple chemistry scale and talked it through from Ohio to Texas based on having a tournament which would be called the Texas Shootout.

Because we respected the work of other creators like Larry Walker and Brad Wellington's work, the standard for our tournament was changed to 4.0 in 1998. I knew I could not fit Larry Walker's work in under 3.2 and his efforts should be commended. Also, the brown base had come in to focus and was heavier than regular TTCs so that was accounted for as well.

We found with time that for what we were after, the heavier weight fit our tournament better. Our thinking is and always has been, "those that will come, will come". I will not twist anyone arm to come and be a part of a 4.0 tournament but always welcome them.

Today, many people enjoy the 4.0 standard as they are using them freely and openly in leagues throughout the country. They find out what I already know and that's what so good about it.

I think Wolf hit it on the head! It's really up to that tournament or league. For me, it does not matter whether a league plays with 4.0 or 3.2 as long as they play the game.

Just my opinion!

[rjackson]

........that plays at 3.2-3.3 I know first hand what the difference is. I like my board with speed because I generally like speed on the ends to make folks cut that set off. Now if I have a Buzzball Mr. Everything on my loopers which I employ them for that purpose because they are hard to block. A heavier weight on him just performs better and it is just a smoother transition from set-on to set-off. Now if he is at 3.3 and you are playing a guy with a set that has a jerk at the set-on process he will fall over sometimes leading to frustration. Now at 4.0 it doesn't matter what that set does because that 4.0 evens out the bad field and it doesn't affect your athlete’s game play.

Personally I like to play at high speeds because it leads to a better game and it eliminates sub par coaches whose reaction time is slow from trying to gain an edge in a game.

Mike man why don't you just create a 4.0 team and a 3.2-3.3 team and be done with it. It is that simple. It will cost you about 50 bucks to do each team Mike. I know for a fact you blow 50 bucks on liquor alone each week. Get on the wagon for a week or two save your dough and get a team together. ******** man quit making a spectacle about this bro. LAEFL is going to 4.0 this season did you know this??

A newly formed league in Baton Rouge has decided to go 4.0, Reason: Allows for ALL types of figures and bases (Proline boat bases, etc.,)

Personally, I don't care what the weight is: The fun for me is to create a new team to fit the rules (Specifications) of the league/tournament. You don't have to paint another team, just re-base/re-weigh your team with existing bases you haven't touched. I'm sure most of us in this hobby have more than one team in our closet. Every time I re-base I come across a base I haven't fooled around with that is exceptionally stronger or faster than the current ones I'm using after tweeking. You'll be surprised what diamond in the rough(Base) you'll find that's just sitting in a box on the shelf. I have teams at 4.0, 3.2, 3.5 and no weight. I like various teams that perform different from each other. Makes coaching them more exciting. Just my two cents.

[mantaraydre]

WHAT DEAD HORSE ???????????

As i clearly stated in the begining this is not about 3.2. This thread is a personal survey for myself on why coaches like the weighted figure as i do. I do not know why 3.2 is even factored in this section. FOR ALL WHO KEEP THINKING THIS IS BEATING A DEAD HORSE. TELL ME, WHAT HORSE ? I simply asked the coaches why theY like PEPSI, all i wan't to hear about is why they like pepsi. But i am seeing on some post sprite commercials, cans of coke, evian spring water bottles. WHEN I SIMPLY ASKED WHY DO YOU LIKE DRINKING PEPSI. I created this thread not to bring up 3.2. I specifically wanted it left out so they 4.0 enthussiast can explain there love for the weight.


This is not the market to bring up comparisons. If your boss told you i like your tie, where did you get it. Are you going to start talking to him about your shoes. I wanted an open ended discussion on 4.0 and was looking for the responses on creation and play like mike robertson, darrian, reg, RJ, tomkat, johnny -o. I would really appreciate just a direct response from all who love 4.0 or a higher weight. I feel my thread is trying to get sabbatoged for no reason. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO COME INTO SECTION AND SPEAK ANYTHING ON 3.2. A seperate thread could have been created asking coaches why do they like 3.2 and we would have stayed off of it.

So i am asking ALL COACHES WHO THINK SO, WHAT DEAD HORSE AND WHO ARE THE JOCKEY'S. DO NOT PUT 3.2 IN THIS THREAD EQUATION. THIS IS NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR. IF IT WAS MISUNDERSTOOD, PLEASE GO BACK AND READ MY OPENING THREAD.

I ASKED, WHY DO YOU LIKE 4.0, NOT, WHY CAN'T YOU STAND 3.2. This place was not creatd to get side tracked by comparison's. Then someone say's the wrong thing. Then either the post gets locked or pulled.

What do you like about 4.0 coaches who love that weight. Everyone please stick to the script.

As far as the figure has to be weighed seperately from the base, SAYS WHO
I slap the base on the figure and put them on the scale together like a married couple at the alter. I see what they weigh together then go from there. I cut a piece of golf tape and lie it down next to the figure on his base on the scale to see how much he is brought up in weight. If the scale reads 4.1 or 4.2, i snip a piece of tape off to get the entire figure to 4.0. This is the only way i know how to do it.


I hope you guy's see where i am coming from in wanting a direct response on 4.0 only. THIS POST WAS NOT MEANT TO DISRESPECT 3.2 IN ANY MANNER.
So i am not understanding why other weights are being mentioned. If you ask a waitress to bring you a nice juicy steak, and she comes back with fish or spare ribs, aren't you going to say i asked for the steak.


MANTARAYDRE