The Dead Horses

[WEIRDWOLF]

Because my post on the 4.0 thread got off track with what the discussion at hand was, I pulled the following posts out into this seperate discussion, so some of what follows may be confusing.


Please don't take this wrong. I like all forms and weights. I just set up my team according to where I am playing but I have to say I'm confused about what we are trying to achieve. We can discuss 4.0 versus 3.2 all you want but ultimately the leagues and the tourneys are going to set whatever rule about weight they want. The only place that the MFCA could possibly come in and say anything is regarding height of a figure. Once we decide a maximum heigth for a figure from floor to top of helmet we will have essentially set a scale by which all manufatcurers current and future will hopefully abide. Also, once we set a height and a maximum base size there will be only so much weight that anybody could ever possibly add.

My biggest fear is not about how much weight is added but rather that someone will suddenly create a figure that is another millimeter or more higher than what is out there or even further, a base that is a 1/8 inch bigger. At some point we have to decide what is covered under the title, "miniature football". The weights will work them selves out on their own and the arguement will eventually fade once we clarify this.

Just like Beta vs VHS. The final decision on which one of these stayed around was not made by the manufacturer but by the customer. Weighting, will in time find its own ultimate standard as long as we take steps to define "miniature football".

[Electric Coach]

Let’s do an experiment. I am curious to see what would happen if all leagues increase their weight standards to 4.0. After that, observe the trends through out the hobby. Look and see if others attempt to go higher in weight. Compare that to those who become satisfied with being at 4.0. The way that you can monitor this is by way of the traffic on this message board.

In regards to a figure’s over all size, I see no reason to increase the size of these figures because eventually they can get so big that it would be ridiculous. As the figures become bigger, the board must grow with them. I am going to go out on a limb by saying that no one in this hobby has a room in their house that can accommodate a 10 to 15ft x 7 to 8ft board without it taking the entire room. Along with that, you would have to store the figures. Each figure would be about 4 to 5in tall. Let’s take it further by painting them, which would require multiple bottles or an entire bottle of paint depending on the brand that you use for a single color on a single team.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[detroitchild]

Originally Posted by Electric Coach

Let’s do an experiment. I am curious to see what would happen if all leagues increase their weight standards to 4.0. After that, observe the trends through out the hobby. Look and see if others attempt to go higher in weight. Compare that to those who become satisfied with being at 4.0. The way that you can monitor this is by way of the traffic on this message board.

In regards to a figure’s over all size, I see no reason to increase the size of these figures because eventually they can get so big that it would be ridiculous. As the figures become bigger, the board must grow with them. I am going to go out on a limb by saying that no one in this hobby has a room in their house that can accommodate a 10 to 15ft x 7 to 8ft board without it taking the entire room. Along with that, you would have to store the figures. Each figure would be about 4 to 5in tall. Let’s take it further by painting them, which would require multiple bottles or an entire bottle of paint depending on the brand that you use for a single color on a single team.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

Huh?

[Electric Coach]

Detroit,

I take it that you didn't understand me. What did you miss about my statement? Did anyone else misunderstand me. Let me know if you didn't understand what I said.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[Vince148]

If most of the league and tourney heads visit this site, and they all see what is trying to be accomplished, then changing their league and tourney rules to 4.0 doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

[detroitchild]

My bad. After re-reading I see that the 1st and 2nd paragraph are two separate issues.

Originally Posted by Electric Coach

Detroit,

I take it that you didn't understand me. What did you miss about my statement? Did anyone else misunderstand me. Let me know if you didn't understand what I said.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[broncoman]

vince 148, you said a mouth full. that is basically what i was trying to get coaches to see. so when you go to touneys you don't have to reweigh your team up or down. just go play as long as you make weigh. then we have unity in MINIATURE FOOTBALL. that's all I have to say on the matter.


BRONCOMAN

Originally Posted by Raven maniac

... I do like the fact that I can have a RB at 3.4 or 3.5, but a line at 4.0. I have TE at 3.9 to help with the run blocks, but also TE at 3.4 that can get open down the seam. The options are what drew me to 4.0. But all the same I would never knock 3.2 because I have several teams at 3.2 that play very well.

Darrian,

Your response reflects that you like sliding weight limits according to a player's position; I too am in favor of that. When you give a maximum weight limit (whether it be 3.3 or 4.0) it pertains to the heaviest figure on the heaviest base. It doesn't mean everybody gets to be that weight. Some coaches use this loophole in the rules to give themselves license to bulk up every single player on the team to that across-the-board weight limit.

Originally Posted by WEIRDWOLF

I'm confused about what we are trying to achieve. We can discuss 4.0 versus 3.2 all you want but ultimately the leagues and the tourneys are going to set whatever rule about weight they want.

I'm a fairly smart guy and I'm just as confused as you are Lynn. Leagues, tournaments, and conventions choose their own play style and weight limits; I don't understand what the problem is?!?

Originally Posted by Vince148

If most of the league and tourney heads visit this site, and they all see what is trying to be accomplished, then changing their league and tourney rules to 4.0 doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Vince,

My suggestion to you is... instead of trying to get everyone else to change; Feel free to host your own tournament, and then you can set the weight limit to 4.0, 5.0, unlimited, or whatever you want it to be.

Originally Posted by broncoman

vince 148, you said a mouth full. that is basically what i was trying to get coaches to see. so when you go to touneys you don't have to reweigh your team up or down.

Mike,

Since you truly believe this, here's what you should do...

Talk to Mike and Delayne and get them to raise Miggle's weight limit, and then contact George and get him to raise Buzzfest's weight limit. The day after they've agreed to do so... call me, and I'll help you try to talk Jimbo into raising the SWB weight limit. Until that day comes... you can continue to mark us down at 3.3

We already allow all manufacturers figures as well as custom figures... they just have to make size and weight.

Peace,

Don Smith

[mantaraydre]

Att wolf,


I like your repsonse on the players height and weight. My personal feeling is if someone comes along and makes a figure 5.0 all the way up to 7.0, i won't mind. We play unlimited in the MPFL so what's the difference. Your right, THE HEIGHT OF THE PLAYER MUST ALWAY'S REMAIN THE SAME. If someone had a figure idea where the shoulder pads, thigh pads, maybe a little bigger helmet(so the decals are alot more visible), i would love it. Im talking thick shoulder pads and thigh pads that are rippled and detailed. Maybe a little more muscle on the arms and legs for definition. AS LONG AS THE PLATFORMS AND THE HEIGHT STAY THE SAME, WHY NOT. As long as they can perform, why not. Like i said, the MPFL is unilimited so what is the difference there. Bill porsches figures are big and bulky but they are the same height as the other figures and the platforms are the same as other fig's.


The article in the tweak where i did the story on the texas shootout, that Mantaray blocker is a Bill Porsch blocker on the opening page of the article. It is much bigger than the normal size blocker but it fits in perfectly. If the player can move nicely up and down the field, why not have someone come along with more and more detail to a figure

Awhile back a coach came up wth the idea of having a STANDARD CUBE MADE. A player must fit comfortably inside of this cube in order to be of legal height.This would be good so a player is not raised up to high due to coaches putting too much LEAD or Magnetix tape between the player and the base. It was a great idea that kind of got swept under the rug. PLAYER FITS IN THE CUBE WHILE ON A BASE. It was a great idea. Question is, what the heck would you make this Cube out of so it is durable enough.

THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[Geno H]

Geno H