PRO FOOTBALL STACKING

[marty t]

HEY FELLAS I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY ONE WHO WATCHED THE GAME LAST NIGHT SEE ANY STACKING WHAT SO EVER IN THE GAME? I SURE DIDN'T, BESIDES THE EXTRA POINT THAT WAS BLOCKED? I SAW THEM PLAYING BACK AND IN THE GAPS. JUST A QUESTION!

[mantaraydre]

hey marty,

i was watching that also. Those saints linebackers were back at least 5 to 6 yards. There was a major gap between the defensive line and the linebackers.

mantaraydre

[mozeek]

[Michigan Joe]

Here is Michigan's Defense in what they call a version of their 3-3-5 Stack.

As far as Miniature football goes, I think that Any Touch vs. Front of Base tackling is far more of a factor to the running game than the rules on stacking...especially if games are played on big boards that are 24" wide. Then again, with shootout it would be hard to imagine front of base tackling when the offense gets 3 moves to only 1 on D. Therefore I'd have to say that the presnap audibles are probably the biggest factor in the running game.

[NATIONAL]

But even tho you don't see it, there is no rule in place that says a team can't stack if they wanted to. They always do it on 4th & short...especially if the team comes out in a jumbo set!!!

Nat'l

[mantaraydre]

hey joe,

First off, thats a nice shot of a play. The outside linebackers look like they are in the gaps. In the picture scenario, all of those backers can shuffle from left to right if need be, In electric football, the players are standing on a square box that usually does nothing but goes straight and pushes behind the d-line. In the picture scenario, those michigan backers will still delay for a second to react to the play. If it is a pass play, they will never just run into the line and push. They would flare out and cover the backs.

mantaraydre

[marty t]

YOUR RIGHT MANTEREY. BUT I HEAR YOU TOO NATIONAL SAYING THAT IT ISN'T A RULE NOT TO STACK BUT THEY ALSO DON'T STACK ON EVERY DOWN EITHER. IT SHOULD BE 4 TO 5 YDS BACK FOR RB'S AND LB'S OR LB'S PLAY THE GAPS AND ON SHORT AND INCHES OR GOAL LINE ONLY SHOULD STACKING BE ALLOWED AND TURN THE QB AWAY FROM THE RUNNING PLAY UNLESS HE RUNS THEN TURN THE RB'S AWAY FROM THE PLAY, OR HAVE A RULE WHERE THE MLB MIRROR THE QB ONLY AND EVERYONE ELSE BACK UP OR PLAY THE GAPS. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD ONE IF YOU GOT TO HAVE ANY STACKING.

[Reginald Rutledge]

are saying but I can usually tell who can not pass or come up with creative run plays based on the topic of stacking. That's no knock on the ingenuity of coaches. All I know is that with lateral bases and TTC bases, you can nullify any stacking by running through holes. Also, at least in the Shootout system, the 3-1 audible makes it scary to stack on a SKILLED coach.

Stacking occurs all the time in football, especially when a QB can not pass. Blitzes are stacking. The 46, which the Bears perfected put players in every gap possible! When teams run a 5-2, you can do dog blitzes as well as an array of other defensive schemes.

What many guys who delve into this subject want are big gainers, like 10 yards per rush. Unfortunately, that does not happen in reality. So because you see defenses that completely shut your run game down, instead of devising systems aimed at creating holes and using the equipment that is available, you cry "no stacking".

Last year, Priest Holmes rushed for 1500 in the CBSMF. This is in a stacking-type of system! Larry Johnson had 1,000 yards rushing! His average was high.

If you develop the ability to pass with consistency, I would have no reason to stack! When I played Rookie, Greg Hardmon, and a few others who offered a real ability to pass, I could not stack to stop the run. I had to allow for gaps because I knew I would get burnt.

For the Box passing, those that rely on it too much will get burned too! Jim Davis threw so many interceptions in 2009 because he relied on the Box instead of understanding he was a 70-30 run/pass team. This year, he had a runner over 1000 plus an 8-2 regular season record.

Just observations I have seen over 15 years of having this discussion. NFL, NCAA, high school, and pee wee stack all the time. Players are physically unable to stack like real players because there is just a limited amount of space but they are stacking. You see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe. But for me, the 46 defense tells me everytime that stacking is so real - when you can't pass.

Reg

[marty t]

i hear you reg, i hear you but preist holmes rushed for 1500yds cause it was on a defense that was thinking about a 95% pass ratio (probably). also they do not stack all the time i never see stacking, blitzes aren't stacking the blitzers are in the open gaps, but it's not about who can pass or who can not pass it is about playing real like ball with no bullying. it's ok only when they are logically used.(meaning in certain situations) 4th and inches, goal line or extra pionts etc.. with allowing stacking on every play it creates a pass first attitude. I can pass almost 95% and it don't bother me at all if i had to pass every play but i don't want to pass every play i can run against a heavy stack i ain't neccessarily talking about my teams. what it is, is that stacking is not a real main aspect of football it is positioning in gaps and openings. it shouldn't be about trying to trick them to stack because every one knows that the 2 rb's is coming out of the back field 99% of the time with stacking. it should give the defense and offense some space so that they can react to the ball by them selves without help so you can assess the individual players. just like the pros and college. what if we get a draft system going and you actually had to trade a player for another and repaint him up or something, then you will want to see what that player can do by himself not with help from a push. it will determine who need what at what position and then the draft or real trades can be created with the base and all 1 complete man that another team would love to have that you might not need and he has a complete man you need INTERNATIONAL TRADING is what i'm getting at. i'm thinking futuristic.

[RPD]

Oh and BTW I saw recievers stacking several times during the game.

RD