"THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION"mad scientist

[Megawattz]

So simple so plain: Everybody wants everybody else to support there events, IF ALL OF U GUYS HOLDING THESE TOURNAMENTS TIE THEM TOGETHER, it always seem to be the familiar faces all dreams will be realized. Same rules, Same weight, Standard size fields, not all made by the same person or company of course, but at least a common size, up or down, VHS & BETA did it why cant we, it drives the industry & increases credibility. These tournaments can be held outside local leagues as not to interfer, All tournaments can & will exist as is with the 1 exception, All will be working towards 1 goal under 1 rule set, 1 weight. Each "Tournament or Division" will host there home games with traveling coaches, the first round will represent league games against road opponents, all rounds there after is for the crown of that said tournaments, but since were here why not get some more league games in , giving travelers double there bang. Real talk all u guys holding these tournaments have the real power to make it happen, I know its not always popular, but I feel if a real effort was made it can happen, nothing else can be supported outside of the present structure, any attempt to unite the hobby always involves travel. This way all travel will be towards a common goal not just a once a year get together, with the TITLE GAME ROTATING each year to said "TOURNY" or said "DIVISION". only real get back no B.S. if u have nothing to add please.

[Megawattz]

All tournaments will exist as is on said dates, with all a part of a bigger pie, the only way! Hard things is what we do, theres nobody here that cant see this! OPEN RUN, Bama Blast, Beltsville, ect. all hosting on there dates, incoming coaches for out of conference games, while at the same time preserving there individual crowns.This is not for all just those that travel, those road warriors, not all is needed, a foundation must be laid. Why do we have this convo always, something has to be missing, we travel, we see, we greet, we play, some one wins, some one looses,fun for all no doubt, but for some reason were left feeling somethings missing.

[Hoop27]

I don't know if this is too simple a solution, by why do you not just set a standard that is in place for a "National Championship"?

Then allow any local tourneys to run their events how they desire. (Of course they will know what the national standard is)

And I remember some of you were talking about a rankings system. It seems to me the easiest way to do that would be to have a points system for events based on the national criteria. I will try and give an example...

Any basic tournament not following the national criteria would be worth 1x the ranking points. So a breakdown would be as follows..

1st 8 points
2nd 7 points
3rd 6 points
4th 5 points
5th 4 points
6th 3 points
7th 2 points
8th and beyond get 1 point (you play. you are guaranteed a point)

Any tourney following the national criteria would be worth 2x the ranking points as follows..

1st 16 points
2nd 14 points
3rd 12 points
4th 10 points
5th 8 points
6th 6 points
7th 4 points
8th and beyond get 2 points

Then for the "Major National Championship" (For you all to determine. Miggle convention or something.) which is obviously played under the national criteria would be worth 3x the ranking points as follows..

1st 24 points
2nd 21 points
3rd 18 points
4th 15 points
5th 12 points
6th 9 points
7th 6 points
8th and beyond get 3 points

It seems to me this would set a national standard, and still allow groups to host a tournament any way they want. They would be encouraged to follow the national standard (because their tourney would be worth more) but not obligated to in any way.

Just my two cents as a guy that has run a lot of events in real sports as well as games.

[Megawattz]

Originally Posted by Hoop27

I don't know if this is too simple a solution, by why do you not just set a standard that is in place for a "National Championship"?

Then allow any local tourneys to run their events how they desire. (Of course they will know what the national standard is)

And I remember some of you were talking about a rankings system. It seems to me the easiest way to do that would be to have a points system for events based on the national criteria. I will try and give an example...

Any basic tournament not following the national criteria would be worth 1x the ranking points. So a breakdown would be as follows..

1st 8 points
2nd 7 points
3rd 6 points
4th 5 points
5th 4 points
6th 3 points
7th 2 points
8th and beyond get 1 point (you play. you are guaranteed a point)

Any tourney following the national criteria would be worth 2x the ranking points as follows..

1st 16 points
2nd 14 points
3rd 12 points
4th 10 points
5th 8 points
6th 6 points
7th 4 points
8th and beyond get 2 points

Then for the "Major National Championship" (For you all to determine. Miggle convention or something.) which is obviously played under the national criteria would be worth 3x the ranking points as follows..

1st 24 points
2nd 21 points
3rd 18 points
4th 15 points
5th 12 points
6th 9 points
7th 6 points
8th and beyond get 3 points

It seems to me this would set a national standard, and still allow groups to host a tournament any way they want. They would be encouraged to follow the national standard (because their tourney would be worth more) but not obligated to in any way.

Just my two cents as a guy that has run a lot of events in real sports as well as games.

This is not to discuss specifics, only to further the efforts of the mission statement of the MFCA. A real discussion has to be raised, with real results, everything I suggested can be done under the existing conditions, existing dates with existing coaches. only thing required is cooperation!

[Megawattz]

E! also any customizers willing to work with me on this I'm interested. This is a top down approach, combined with the on going bottom up efforts of the newly formed "Marketing GROUP" real progress can be achieved. We must understand that were trying to revive a dead horse fellas, this hobby has been long since seen its hay day, we are the cream of the crop so to speek, if we drop the ball, with no aires, its over. Us customizers & U organizers, have in our hands the future of the hobby, this is nothing I take lightly. In the age of technology how do u grow interest in the steam engine u regulate the boilers then u race it! this is what were facing, theres nothing we can do to change the technology, AT THIS TIME we can make it fancy but the same priciples apply, to turn the hobby into a sport will not only give us all a central goal but it will show the public the true nature of our hobby & give the new recruits a foundation to support them, without that they wont last anyway. Based on existing members with a central goal. This is what I strive for, now how can we make it happen? Those that cant see the progress no response please, crititical thought always welcome, hoping to here from those HEADS OF STATES.

[mozeek]

I thought the MFCA was designed to Achieve this...but what seems to happen is we can't get all folks in One room.....I thought the MFCA CONVENTION would get this done.....but it seems as though all EGOS still can't COEXIST.......we are close ...but some need to make that move to come out and join us......

[Reginald Rutledge]

companies and really anyone who has the courage to have a tournament do so. I think if you are a vendor and these guys are buying your product, you've got an obligation to offer something for those who have supported your products.

I will continue to do things for those who support me as I feel an obligation to give back to those people in a big way. Now it is up to those people to come and participate in what I do but the opportunity exist.

Reginald Rutledge

[Michigan Joe]

Bruce,
I really liked the idea of a Miniature football National Championship, where local/regional tournaments are used as a means to determine a tournament bracket for the national championship. I think Beenut and Ray F were really onto something. The idea is simple, and even better yet seems manageable. (See post below for some details on the ideas)...
http://miniaturefootball.com/forum/s...t=18444&page=3

An example of how this could work is the MFCA national championship bracket could be made up from winners (and possibly some runners up??) of local/regional tournaments like....Buzzfest, Texas Shootout, Miggle, Beltsville, LA Open run, Bama Blast, local league winners (?), etc, etc.

Obviously, we would need to have some kind of qualifications to make a local/regional tournament eligable for automatic entry into the national championship tournament. Coaches could attend as many tournaments as they want, increasing their odds of making the big dance and that would be great for the hobby to promote these events. Then we could have online voting for rankings (kind of like an AP poll in college football) which would be for seeding, wild card entries, and just for some overall excitement.

I think this would be a lot of fun and it would be relatively low maintanance, and it would create a great BUZZ in the hobby! I'm all in.
Joe

[artlax]

my little "random thought" post seems to have garnered some interest.

[WEIRDWOLF]

Miggle, in their own way, did this originally. Remember, they use to put league champions in one tourney and the rest in another and then you would play down to the last 2. There is no reason that this couldn't happen at the MFCA Convention each year, but the big holdup after all these discussions, is what rules do all these varied champions play by for the finals. This is where the MFCA as a majority needs to choose what the rules wil be for this final championship and nail them down so that all know. Not everyone will accept the rules laid down, but that is OK. It just needs to be a majority. With Miggle, no matter what style of league game you played, you knew in the end that you had to play with Miggle men on Miggle bases (usually handed to you that day) with Miggle rules. If we could just get to a final rendition of the MFCA Rules, we could pull this off. Chris LeMay and Al worked hard on a set, but it got no response from a single MFCA member when we announced it.

I personally think we should not reinvent the wheel, but adopt a rule set like the NEFL's which is fast paced, generally similar to most rules out there that anybody with some quick study could pick them up. It also maybe time to realize that the Shootout rules are their own thing and already have a national championship in place via the CBSMF, based around these rules. I am all in favor of having two national champions each year. A Shootout champion and a MFCA Champion just like in tabletop hockey, there is a Stiga champion and whatever the other brand champion is. There once was a AFL champion and a NFL Champion each year. They eventually came together, but they wouldn't of had too and it would of been just as much fun!