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View Poll Results: Do you like, dislike or not sure about this rule?
I like 24 50.00%
I dislike 21 43.75%
Not sure 3 6.25%
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Old 07-09-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Am I the only EF coach who dislike this rule?

Some tournaments and leagues have a rule where you can use two figures on the defense of line. In other words, you do not have to cover all the blockers. Now you have blockers just running down the field and a LOT of guys coming from both sides of the 5 blockers.

Am I crying? If you feel this way, then you do not see my point. I am going to do a poll to get an idea what people think about this rule. My local league has this rule and I will have to play by it.

I have not played EF for over a year and I thought people where trying to put rules in to make this game as close to a real football game. I know we can never make it just like a real football game. But some rules we have helps.

Example, is how we turn our defense players at the WR, when the WR catches the ball. We do this, because these figures do not know to turn around and go after the figure with the ball.

I look at this the same way with my blockers. If no figure is in front or at the corner of my blocker, how does my blocker know to go block a LB or another player.

Yeah, you can put on ITZ dials and make them go side ways. But you are just guessing where to make your blockers go and hope they will block someone.

I never heard of a real football game just having TWO defensive of line men on the line. I heard of a Three - Four defense. That is cool to do.

This rule to me, does not seem to go in the dirrection of making this game like a real football game.

I know everyone has their own rules on playing this game. I am not trying to say who rules are better. This question is more focus on me finding out if I am the ONLY EF COACH that dislikes this rule.

Now for my poll question. Do you like, dislike or not sure about this rule?
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Old 07-09-2007, 11:55 AM
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Default Hybrid Schemes

I thought under certain circumstances a defense may set up a 2-5-4, or even a 1-5-5 formation (see Professor LeBeau ).
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Old 07-09-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Is your LB in front of my blocker?

TV, is your LB 5 - 10 yards back in FRONT of my blocker to run right at him? If so, then that is fine. But if your LB is no where behind your d-line and letting that blocker go, then that is wrong in my eyes.

Lets not let this get out of hand. Focuse more on covering all the players is all I am asking.

I know not everyone will agree on this rule. I am just keeping this simple to see what people think about NOT covering all the offense players.

Tony

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Old 07-09-2007, 12:29 PM
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Mr Michigan,

I agree, I don't like this rule. It's probably put in place to stop those pass happy teams?

Also, the Giants used a two man fron against the Bills in the Super Bowl

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Old 07-09-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default 2 on the line

Sounds like you would need a stronger O-line. i see nothing wrong with the rule I dare someone to play a two man line in our league with front of the base tackling them LB better be like lighting comming around them corners or esle my rb is to the house
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Old 07-09-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Mr. Mich " The Nfl Has Def Schemes Using Only 2"

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It's not a rule it's part of football strategy, their are teams with def sets that run only 2 lineman. The patriots ran a def scheme with NO lineman !

look at some dime packages and notice who is on the field. remember defenses have schemes galore. In the nfl the def players can line up wherever they want on their side of the ball. All out blitz packages warrant dif personnel on the field at any given time. If you see just 2 run a trap or draw down the pike. One thing i push for is letting us play like the nfl, some rules force you to have running backs on off plays, WHY ? If i call a play with no backs in the backfield why cant i carry it out. IF THEY DO IT IN THE NFL TAKE OFF THE HANDCUFFS AND LETS US PLAY EF LIKE THEM !

THAT'S WHY I LOVE THE SEA WALL BRAWL RULES !!!!!!!!


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Old 07-09-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default OK, NFL teams have two d-line men

OK, real football has two D-Line men. But my point is about EF players knowing what to do when a player is not covering him.

Anyway, 6 people did the poll so far and 4 dislike and 2 like. Now I know that I am NOT the only person who dislikes this rule.

Thank you guys.

Tony
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:40 PM
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Default Rule

Technically if you look at it you're really playing a 4 man line. Just because the DE's are lined up outside the offensive tackles doesn't mean there's only two men on the line. Your initial reaction is, "Nice, only two guys on the line I'm going to run all day on this guy," but as they find out running up the middle on this type of play is difficult. If your linemen are all downfield then you should have the dials turned harder to pick up the linebackers. DE's are taught to keep the play inside and not let the backs to the outside. If you line the DE's up on the tackles you can't accomplish that. So next time you see it (and you will if you play anyone from Harrisburg) look a little harder, there's (4) guys on the d-line they're just disguised a little bit. :p

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Old 07-09-2007, 02:39 PM
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Thumbs up good points tony.......

i understand your points tony and I more/less agree with where you are coming from.

1st - in the any-touch style - this gives the defense MORE options than the offense because you, in essence, by pass the O-line and can have more players in the offensive backfield. Coaches with speed players will win this way more than lose.

2nd - in front of the base style- as forUtohate stated, you most likely get knocked off the ball but the edge defenders still get into the backfield quickly.

3rd - the standard tournament defense (2 DL with 2 stacked LB coupled with 2 or more loopers) crushes most running games by allowing (usually) the center and 2 tackles to go uncovered and the stack presents the 2-man vs. one in the middle.

I am sure AB will jump in here about the MPFL way of changing that concept (which could be very true) by allowing all players to be adjusted during a play. However we are not all on that level, yet.

Most of us play "junk" defenses to get to the QB or have more defenders to stop the 5-wide formations we all have faced. None of these things are bad, just what is out there.

BEFL 2007 football will be addressing this season in a few ways that, our hope, will make both offens and defense play honest and not rely on the "junk".


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Old 07-09-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default This is all good

Of course everyone is going to have their own way at looking at this. I brought this up because I am in the process of putting together a team for this kind of play.

Maybe you guys can give me some pointers. Right now, I feel my TE is in BIG trouble. Because I know that there will be TWO players on BOTH of my TE to push him back and then a player will be coming at my QB.

With this said, should I just go ahead and put a weak base on my TE? There goes two WR already. I could say this is like stacking. But I am sure someone will say "it is double coverage and there is nothing wrong with that". But double coverage on two WR?

I did think about having my two TE 5 yards back. Then angle them both to do a loop around. Then have a RB on the left and right of my QB to pick up the blizers coming from both sides. This might work.

Right now, I just feel I need to just focus on making a running team. If you could, I would be happy to get some pointers on this kind of play in my PM. Then I can look at putting my team together with the pointers you give me.

Thank you,
Tony

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