Big Time Question. "how Do You Shut Down These Receivers"

[mantaraydre]

ALL COACHES ACCROSS THE LAND, PLEASE RESPOND IN DETAIL.


I've been around town the past couple of years and watched many games at various events, i noticed one thing, not many cant shut down receivers.
many times this tug of war at the line of scrim does not work because the receivers slip free 90% of the time. Don hudson of the dfw showed myself and kevin boddie a great philosophy in running with the receiver. he is right, in a tug of war at the line of scrimmage the receiver slips free and the db runs out of the play. If you run with the receiver at least theres a chance the db can make a play if the qb is able to hit the pass.

You must play an honest defense with help in the area of the play. The great reg rutledge has the best shut down corners due to his extensive studying on that paticular figures capabilities. Reg studies the push balances to throw the receiver off track. Not all of us have that so it is difficult to stop these guy's "ESPECIALLY WR'S ON BOAT BASES". I tried to double them from the sides but they still manage to slip free.

SO HERE IS THE QUESTION, Every coach has there own philosophy on this matter so what is yours ? Reg is the king of the shutdown, Don hudson and anthony burgess are the kings of how to react to the pass.

PLEASE HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS ON HOW TO TIE THIS ALL IN TO CREATE A BETTER DEFENSE .

1) DOES A COVER 1,2,3 WORK
2)DOES ANYBODY ZONE
3)DO YOU DROP YOUR LINEBACKERS TO COVER THE MIDDLE


LETS TALK SOME SERIOUS FOOTBALL FOR A CHANGE !!!!!!!!!


MANTARAY- DRE

[Anthony D Burgess]

Like you I have been around and seen how guys play, and you're question is a good one.

1: Mugging the WR is not the way!( Shut down coners)-( Holding ) This voids the proper use of SS's and doesn't support the fundamentals of playing the position. WR run down field and the DB goes with them, just watch a game and see for you're self.

The bump at the line is just to throw off the timing between the QB and the WR and to redirect the receiver in and effort to execute the type of pass coverage.

I have found out that how you play is the number one cause of why you can't defend the WR. Think of it like driving you're car with the club on you're steering wheel vs driving without it ! Or Painting a picture with one color vs using all colors to bring you're picture to life.

There are three (3) Keys to Defending the Passing Game

1: Pass Rush-D-Line
2: Pass Coverage-DB's,SS's,LB's
3: Player performance-All players collectively

None of witch can take place if the players cant react.

Coverage on a speed WR requires pass rush, and a type of coverage, 2 deep or 3 deep. Are you playing man to man, or zone? What are you're LB's doing.

Coverage and pass rush work hand and hand in stopping a speed receiver.

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

ALL COACHES ACCROSS THE LAND, PLEASE RESPOND IN DETAIL.


I've been around town the past couple of years and watched many games at various events, i noticed one thing, not many cant shut down receivers.
many times this tug of war at the line of scrim does not work because the receivers slip free 90% of the time. Don hudson of the dfw showed myself and kevin boddie a great philosophy in running with the receiver. he is right, in a tug of war at the line of scrimmage the receiver slips free and the db runs out of the play. If you run with the receiver at least theres a chance the db can make a play if the qb is able to hit the pass.

You must play an honest defense with help in the area of the play. The great reg rutledge has the best shut down corners due to his extensive studying on that paticular figures capabilities. Reg studies the push balances to throw the receiver off track. Not all of us have that so it is difficult to stop these guy's "ESPECIALLY WR'S ON BOAT BASES". I tried to double them from the sides but they still manage to slip free.

SO HERE IS THE QUESTION, Every coach has there own philosophy on this matter so what is yours ? Reg is the king of the shutdown, Don hudson and anthony burgess are the kings of how to react to the pass.

PLEASE HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS ON HOW TO TIE THIS ALL IN TO CREATE A BETTER DEFENSE .

1) DOES A COVER 1,2,3 WORK
2)DOES ANYBODY ZONE
3)DO YOU DROP YOUR LINEBACKERS TO COVER THE MIDDLE


LETS TALK SOME SERIOUS FOOTBALL FOR A CHANGE !!!!!!!!!


MANTARAY- DRE

good question and if you read the latest issue of the tweak, you would have pickup some of the points.

Bump-n-run works sometimes, but with bases with rounded front make this more tough to do.

i use a simple game plan to "slow down" a WR more so than shut him down.

Running with a WR is good but you have to disguise it well or the offense will run at the spot your CB just vacated....

you can run over-n-under on the WR that you HAVE to double cover. you have CB play on the outside of the WR and he runs with him at the same time you send the FS towards that area 'underneath' so that when the pass rush forces the board to stop (must have a pass rush or your not going to be successful anyway) you will be in position to make the pass a little more difficult to complete.....

if you know a team will be passing you could have some spinners on the field

Dre,

Good question. I used to play against a guy we called Air Jiminez. I think he is still out there but I haven't heard from him in a while. Well Air's claim to fame was his passing skill. He used the original Tudor metal QB that came out in the 50's. He was deadly with this QB. In order to try and shut down his passing I stopped trying to jam his recievers at the line. And what did was have my CB's use an inside out technique on his X and Z wideouts. What I had them do is run with his receivers and not allow them an inside move. And always looking to close down the passing lanes. My Strong OLB responsibility was to jam the tight end and force him outside. The MLB and WOLB would either be set to play shallow zone or watch what was coming out of the backfield. And the two Safetys would provide zone coverage over the top.

I hope that this makes sense? The defense was very effective in shutting down the passing game.

WallyJ

p.s. Dre your in NYC, I'm on the Island if you ever want to get together just let me know.

[mantaraydre]

Hey jabs

What part of long island do you live in. Im on the border of queens and elmont right near vinny testaverte's house. let me know.

mantaray- dre

Dre,

I'm located right off the last exit of the Southern State Parkway... about 40minutes from you. I left a PM for you.

Wally

[Reginald Rutledge]

I am one of those who believe in the Shutdown Corner. I am one who believes in the cover corner. If those corners are created in the right manner, you definitely would not have a grab session but instead a chuck at the line, release, turn and run with the receiver. The problem is when others copied it, they did not bring the player to the right spot on the base or did not give the hand spacing the right width. Thus, you found yourself with clutching, grabbing, and going around in circles.

However, that does not bother me. In the NFL, NCAA, and any level of football, I see players with their hands out all the time like they are going to hug them. It's unlikely with cover corners but LBs and DLs and OLs have their hands out.

The cover corner and shutdown corners are just players that can be put on an island and they will handle their business. Sometimes they will get beat and other times, they will beat the receiver.

But for me, I can not consistently stop the boat base receiver as I can not stop the leaping receiver as I can not consistently stop the rookie base receiver. The boat base receiver is dependent on the figure used as well. I believe that an athlete=base+player.

It just all depends on the type of coverages you feel comfortable with. For me, when I play an attacking defense, that is when my team is at its best. The covers, defensive tackles, outside linebackers and safeties work hand-in-hand. We play cover 2 defense sometimes. We can disguise the MLB to drop back into coverage because we utilize Munro dials on them and our safeties play zone with certain pre-read schemes. Not many in the league run this scheme, maybe just Michael Robertson and myself. For us, it has been successful.

Andre, you can further stop the boat base by putting maximum pressure on the QB at certain stress points in his scheme. One stress point is to stunt between the guard and center. Run a defensive scheme where you stack 3-4 in a row! That will take the other team out of his comfort zone.

Yeah, zones are great but you've seen some of the passers in the DFW. They are no joke when it comes to accuracy! If you sit back in the zones, they will pick you apart! They will nickel and dime you down the field and all you can hope is that they throw into coverage.

When you come back here to Texas, you will have to sit with Michael and I and we will show you the techniques of our defensive schemes. These are schemes tried and true. You can't stop everything but having the right type of personnel will make life so much easier on you.

Reginald

[RooMorgans]

The key thing to remember is that the corners are a part of your defense.

Now, that may sound simplistic or even too simple. "Hey Roo, everyone knows that!"

No, they don't.

I have played a few folks in the recent past and many have asked me the same question ...

"Where did he come from?"

The he of which the coach is speaking is my cornerback. Season after season, my cornerbacks lead my team in sacks and tackles for loss. Simple clutching and grabbing the receiver isn't enough. If you want to play that, it's cool, and if you have the right figure, it should work. But if the WR has the right base, it won't.

What I've found is that on the corner, you want a base that more than just grabbing, will also guide. Guiding is the key. My corners aren't going to hold your receiver for more than a couple seconds. But I can line them up in such a way (using the dials to hide the scheme) where those corners will grab the receiver, and continue on their programmed route (EF god willing).

What results is the WR in the backfield, in effect turned from a receiving target to a pass-blocker. And if he blocks the corner out from getting pressure - that's fine! Because he also isn't catching the pass, either.

When this attack is successful, however, what will happen is the receiver will get free from the corner, only to be running parallel to the LOS or behind it, and behind the quarterback, such that he is no longer a legit passing target. In some cases, the cornerback then speeds in and make the sack. In others, he forces the coach to stop the board, minus at least one of his receiving targets because he's been taken out of the play by his own blocking.

Now - that said. ... To run this you need effective safeties, and I'm still struggling with this. Because at times, your corner will get beat early, and the receiver will roam into the secondary and be open even if your corner applies some pressure. I typically won't cover the boundaries with safeties (set to spin). They will cover the middle and the areas between the hashes and the numbers. What I need here are speedier TTCs that run a bit straighter, so if any of the base tweakers wanna talk ...

It ain't a perfect system. There is no perfect system. And I can't use it all the time. Boat bases are a chore because they may well beat my corners off the break. And I will try and run with receivers at times, especially if I know the opposing coach not to be good with the TTQB, and therefore he needs to use the "chopsticks." In that case, I couldn't care less about manning up on a receiver - I just want someone in all the open areas to get the interception.

As Lomax eluded to, though, if you run off receivers, you have to have someone that can fill that gap to stop the outside runs. If your OLBs can't get to the boundary quicker than the offensive's tailback? Good night.

Another trick is let the tight end run a bit. Everyone mans up on the tight end! Why? If you see that your opponent's TE runs straight, play 5 yards off him with a good TTC and then man him up. This does 3 things:

1) You can blitz a fast looper or fast straight runner (angled) in on the quarterback from the spot the TE is vacating.

b) You aren't picking the TE up until later in the play and as such, only need to cover him for a shorter period of time (unless you miss your blitz and the QB has all day - but if that's the case, you got other things to worry about)

iii) The coach may see you off the TE and expect him to be open, thus forgetting about the receiver that was to be his main option on the play. He stops the board, expecting to throw to his TE, but he's locked up at the last minute by your defender and he has to look elsewhere, which may not be open.

Ed

...different schemes at different times for different scenarios. DON'T do what Da Bad News BEARS did against Peyton in the last SB and run the EXACT same defense 115 straight plays!!! You WILL get beat. Case proven. COLTS are Champs. Peace.

[broncoman]

JIMBO, i show that bump and run with the cb's to DON AND A few others, and played it when i played you in L.A. I run it all the time with my front 7 to stop the run.
see you in DETROIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRONCOMAN