What makes a great coach...... ?

[RavennaAl]

What makes a great coach great? Is it his base tweaking skills, his prowess with the TTQB, his play making ability, or his won-loss record? What percentage of each skill does it take to be considered a great coach?

Example, suppose a guy is the best base tweaker in history. His teams are the strongest around. He never passes the ball, just runs people over with the same running play every time and always wins. Would he be considered a great coach? What if a guy couldn't tweak a base if his life depended on it, but he somehow finds a way to keep his team within reach of an obviously more powerfull team. Even though he never wins, would he be considered a great coach just by his ability to take an inferior team and somehow only looses by 3 points? And what about the guy who can't tweak or design plays, but instead has recievers that somehow get open and he is able to complete 99% of his passes and wins. Is he a great coach? And how about the guy who wins every game he plays under one rule set, but under a different rule or weight set looses. How do you rank him?

I'm not picking on anyone, so before someone gets upset thinking that I'm talking about them, I'm just talking generally speaking. How do you rank a coach? What skills are considered more valuable? What percentage of each skill do you account for? Lastly, how could you design a game to truely measure how good a coach is that would be fair to everyone?

[Silverhorse 228]

Al...I really think it is a combination of all those things. For example, suppose you have a coach with a great running game and he runs over everyone, eventually someone is going to figure out how to stop the run...a great coach will be able to adapt and overcome...I guess the best coaches make great game time adjustments...

just my two cents

[jeff]

I agree with Silverhorse! The greatest coaches can adjust and adapt to whatever is happening to them. They can also recognize what the other team is trying to do and counteract it.
They can also gameplan.

[RavennaAl]

So you would account for his playmaking abilities over his passing or tweaking skills. Would you say then, that you would give 50% to playmaking, 25% to tweaking and 25% to passing?? Or maybe 70% playmaking, 15% tweaking and 15% passing?

But, couldn't it also be argued that the guy who runs the same play and gains 20 yards everytime is simply going with what works? I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it? He may only have 2 or 3 plays, but if they work, they work.

I'm trying to figure out what the ideal mixture of skills is for a coach. I'm thinking that a guy who can make his bases really strong would probably win more often simply because it's hard to stop another team when your guys are going backwards every play. Also a guy who can complete every pass would be hard to stop simply because if he sends out 5 recievers every play, someone is bound to be open.

In real life, it seems that the only thing that matters is winning and loosing. Great coaches are judged by the number of wins or championships that they get. In miniature football, would you still only count wins and loses, or would you have to consider other aspects that you don't account for in NFL and college?

[GrandMasterKC]

My take is that a great coach prepares for the unexpected even if the unexpected becomes obvious. Say you have that running coach you prep to stop him all of a sudden he is passing every down, make the adjustment and stick to your game plan. Great coaches can find the greatness in every player/base and assign it to work with it's strengths and place it o the field and totally disguise it's weaknesses and this can be a philosophy for an entire team. Even in the eye of defeat a great Coach along with his team will play until the last snap know that anything can happen if either he or his opposition makes that 1 mental mistake. A great Coach will make pre and post game adjustments to be better prepared for the next game in win or defeat. A great coach will find a way to use that 20 yarder and turn base, the speedster, the slow but consistant TE base, etc....and design a game plan that works with what he has at that moment, but they are also eyeing where the need for improvement MUST be made. A great Coach is always open for suggestions and forever generous with their gifts of EF wisdom as well as life's jewels. A great Coach moves on mentally/physically to the next games preparation(tossing bases/re-tweaking/or ordering bases) these rituals along with the wisdom from past games is combined and properly applied to who stands before their team in competition next

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Let me tell you,
What makes agreat coach has nothing to do with how many trophies or championships you've won. It has nothing to do with how big your league is or how many people think your the best tweaker, TTQB passer, the creator of new styles of play. It may have a little to do with how nice your team looks or plays. Seriously, A great coach is a guy who shows up for his games, calls his opponent in advance if he can't make a scheduled game. A great coach plays until the end win loos or draw! A great coach is someone who if he wins, doesn't humiliate his opponent and at least offers words of encouragement or advice. Many claim to do this ,but they are liers! A great coach helps out others when he can and asks nothing in return! Many claim to do this ,but they are false flagging! They want something. Sometimes, they just want others to think their generous? A great coach has character and heart. Sometimes we spend so much time on pumping up our own egos, we fail to recognize the value or worth of others. Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character! WE all need to work on our character! Tron says, if you sit in a dark room all day and you cry out only once have you done anything to be proud of ? Don't look at me ask yourself?
Tron has spoken!

[mantaraydre]

gm-kc

That was one of the greatest post i've ever read. Great great point throughtout ! cant wait until we hook up.

mantaraydre

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by RavennaAl

What makes a great coach great? Is it his base tweaking skills, his prowess with the TTQB, his play making ability, or his won-loss record? What percentage of each skill does it take to be considered a great coach?

Example, suppose a guy is the best base tweaker in history. His teams are the strongest around. He never passes the ball, just runs people over with the same running play every time and always wins. Would he be considered a great coach? What if a guy couldn't tweak a base if his life depended on it, but he somehow finds a way to keep his team within reach of an obviously more powerfull team. Even though he never wins, would he be considered a great coach just by his ability to take an inferior team and somehow only looses by 3 points? And what about the guy who can't tweak or design plays, but instead has recievers that somehow get open and he is able to complete 99% of his passes and wins. Is he a great coach? And how about the guy who wins every game he plays under one rule set, but under a different rule or weight set looses. How do you rank him?

I'm not picking on anyone, so before someone gets upset thinking that I'm talking about them, I'm just talking generally speaking. How do you rank a coach? What skills are considered more valuable? What percentage of each skill do you account for? Lastly, how could you design a game to truely measure how good a coach is that would be fair to everyone?

What makes a great coach ?

Well in my opinion it is not being able to use the TTQB, or base tweaking, speed, or power.

It should be based on his or her knowledge of football. The understanding of each position on the field and it's responcibilities on a given play.

It's understanding out side leverage in a zone, or how to counter a type of formation.

Football is a thinking mans game not a game of chance/luck ( I hope he miss ).

A coaches knows how to put his players in the right positions to make plays, a coach teaches, and is prepared.

And now to answer you're other question....." How do you design a game to truly measures how good a a coach is that would befair to everyone? "

I have done that already, it's called the MPFL System

[Reginald Rutledge]

Great examples of what coaching greats are. I'd like to definitely echo sharing knowledge with others because if you constantly just want to call all over the country telling people how you beat up on someone without offering them any knowledge of how to compete, you're probably one of the worst teachers in the hobby. And I think teaching is a big part of what the coaching greats do.

Reg

Bump,
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