General Passing Question #2

[Tomkat]

We use the short passing stick for under 15 yds and the medium stick for over 15. If the receiver is within the distance of the longest stick, it's a direct pass, no sticks or targets used, so a quick slant or screen can go directly to the receiver. Once the reception is made, then adjustments to unengaged players are made. KTown our thing is throwing at the target second. It is so much more realistic than throwing at it first. The defenders can react and get in the passing lane or get on the receiver for a quick tackle. Hitting the target first negates defensive reactions.

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Anthony - did you try passing the way i explained?

Yes I just finished testing out you're theory over 2 days. Now I am sure that some my try and twist this post around and make it something it is not so I trust and hope that you can follow me and understand. I am not saying that this is better than that just going to give you the facts to my field test.

The theory of simulating bothe the QB throwing the ball and the receiver catching it is sound, but can it be done in a way that doesn't slow down the game.

TTQB: On the average when the board stops the time it takes to perform this type of pass may take 12-15 seconds once the coach knows who he wants to throw to.

Target: Once the board stops the coach may take 5 seconds to determine who he wants to throw to, then 3 seconds to place the target down.

Now I calculated 18 seconds to complete the first part, " Target down, ttqb pass "

Now it the defensive coach uses the ttqb to see if he can get a interception I added 13 seconds giving a total elapse time of 31 seconds. The time it would take to perform this procedure can make the game time very long.

Now if you are willing to accept the length of time it takes to simulate this than it's a good thing for you.
( At the expense of time you have the ttqb throwing , the receiver running, the defender running to make the reception, and might add the other coaches ttqb pass )

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by RavennaAl

I just got to thinking (probably not a good thing) but if one was using passing sticks, and you want the receiver to run a down and out pattern, how could you do that when placing the passing stick in front of the receiver would spot the ball out of bounds?? That would require the player to run inbounds a good 10 - 15 yards first, instead of straight near the sidelines and turning. Would it make sense to have a special passing stick just for that kind of pass??? But then, if you did, wouldn't it make it almost automatic to complete that sort of pass if a special short stick was used for those occasions??????

The procedures for using the stick passing is the key.

First you need to have a range that tells you what stick to use. Example: From the LOS to 10 yards down field is a 3 yard stick, 11 yards down field to 25 yards from the LOS is a 5 yard stick.

Now when you stop the board you see what zone you're receiver is in and use the stick according to the zone the receiver is in. That way you can run all the pass routes. When the board stops turn the receiver to run the pass route you want, then place the ball in front of the receiver according to the range he is in ( 3,5,etc ) and away from the defender much the same way as the QB would do in throw the ball to a place were his player has a better chance to make the reception.

Now Please do not be offended or take this the wrong way, but if you are using any form of stick passing the is not in guide lines with the one that all of them came from ( Pass Placement ) then you will not be able to reach that goal because the sticks were made too long. This was done to penalize who ever used them for not using the ttqb.

Stick passing requires that players be placed on magnets and placed in strategic locations to defend the pass.

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

We use the short passing stick for under 15 yds and the medium stick for over 15. If the receiver is within the distance of the longest stick, it's a direct pass, no sticks or targets used, so a quick slant or screen can go directly to the receiver. Once the reception is made, then adjustments to unengaged players are made. KTown our thing is throwing at the target second. It is so much more realistic than throwing at it first. The defenders can react and get in the passing lane or get on the receiver for a quick tackle. Hitting the target first negates defensive reactions.

http://www.mpflfootball.com/football...simulation.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/news/003.htm

Hear is a link with more data.

[KTown49er]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

...KTown our thing is throwing at the target second. It is so much more realistic than throwing at it first. The defenders can react and get in the passing lane or get on the receiver for a quick tackle. Hitting the target first negates defensive reactions.

That's what I like about this board. Different opinions and different ideas give us the ability to really do some great things.

What you said about throwing 2nd is very interesting.

But for me....I throw the pass first so that the WR & DB can react and race to the spot (run under the ball) where the ball will be. Again, for me, when you pass to the target first to determine how accurrate the pass is...it then affects how the WR & DB have to work to make a play on the ball (easier for the WR on a good pass...better for the Defense on a poor pass).

That's just me!!!!

[Tomkat]

KTown - we used to do it that way. We came up with this and what a difference. Try it. You are doing the same as us, just backwards. The things you are saying positively about your method are ten fold when using the ttqb second.