The Dead Horses

Geno… I agree that with you that this issue is nothing but a dead horse, and I have a suggestion in the last paragraph of my post.

Like John Oubre I have teams at various weight classes. 3.2, 3.3, 3.5, 4.0, and I’m currently trying to put together an MPFL weighted team. So my comments are solely about this topic.

Originally Posted by Coach Rip

The figure has to be weighed separately from the base................but then again, ....................I'm tired of this debate as it seems pointless ..........because this post reruns every 6 - 7 months....

George when I read your quote… I thought the same exact thing. However I went back (about a year) and checked just to see if our thoughts had legs. It turns out that this topic resurfaces in one shape or form about every 6 months. The only anomaly was a November thread… which if added into the equation… makes this subject come up about every 4 months instead of 6.

The next few quotes and responses will illustrate what I’m talking about.

Originally Posted by Treks1

Another season is in the books under 3.2 and no problems mate. With a few exceptions the boards run great. Very competitive games and I think our Season 7 rules and equipment is the best set we have hade to date. I would be willing to bet that more than one coach in our league could use his 3.2 team versus a 4.0 team for a full game and the final score may not be what you expect. Although you guys love your 4.0 system you seem to knock the lower weight like it’s the stone ages or something. 4.0 may work better for you (or your favorite figures or products) but that doesn't mean what works for other coaches or is antiquated and out of style, savvy.

Not knocking 3.6 or 4.0 but 3.2 works well for us. I for one am satisfied with the 3.2 standard.

Steve Martin wrote this in January of 2008. I remembered Steve’s comments because I totally agreed with them. Promoting what you do is fine; clubbing the rest of us like baby seals isn’t.

Originally Posted by Treks1

All of my equipment is based on a lighter weight. I am working on a 4.0 team for the College Bowl Series, and to be honest I am used to certain figures at certain positions. I have yet to find counterparts at the heavier weight I am comfortable with, balance, performance and the like. This is especially true for WR and RB. It will take some customizing but it’s a different market.

Its an adjustment......

Steve Martin wrote this in July of 2008. Almost each and every one of us started with standard weight figures. When Steve made the decision to play 4.0, he carefully assessed what he needed to do to make his team compliant with the rule set. His own quote verifies this. It isn’t brain surgery people… to quote Steve: “Its an adjustment”. Truer words were never written. Steve Martin shows us ALL what Miniature Football coaching is about. It’s about talent evaluation; team building techniques, and adjustments. People who imply that it’s some kind of back-breaking labor to muster up teams in 2 different weight classes isn’t a knock against 3.3 or 4.0; it’s a knock against your coaching passion, prowess, and ability. For those of US that actually can coach… it’s nothing more than a minor adjustment.

Originally Posted by Treks1

Defend the system you prefer, or advocate your style or rules and that's fine.
But don't attack coaches and their style of play stating that they are close-minded, backwards or that your system is "better" or more like real football.
That is an opinion clearly subject to debate.

Steve wrote this in November of 2008. The pattern people should see is… Steve actually responded each time this topic came about. I took the time to read each thread and could sense Steve’s frustration during those times. He never had a problem with the 4.0 weight limit just like a lot of us who don’t. His issue was with coaches who constantly trying to brow-beat the rest of us into submission; all the while making it seem like their particular weight limit is “better” or somehow being victimized.

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The moral of the story…

We all have the ability to choose how we’d like to play. Having choices is not a curse it’s a blessing. If you’re happy with your play style and or weight limit, then BE HAPPY!!! Constantly pretending to be the victim while brow-beating the rest of us tells me one thing…

You’re not really happy with your current situation. If you were, we wouldn’t be rereading this topic every 4 to 6 months. Most of us have stopped responding to this topic because it basically covers the same ground every time. That’s why I found Geno’s beating a dead horse response so amusing. I just hope that when the next one appears in about 4 months or so, he places it at the very beginning of the thread as a gentle reminder of past mistakes.


Peace,

Don Smith

PS. I like Lomax’s maximum-weight class distinction

Class A- 3.3
Class B- 4.0
Class C- unlimited

[Hook'em Horns]

If this was a test for a school exam many of you would get an F. An F for Failed! An F for Failure to follow instructions. This is why the community is where it is. We look for any avenue to air out our subtle differences and we secretly attack others through script and act as if it truly pertains to the question at hand! WHATEVER! we can read through the read tape. Grow up people! Lets take the posts on the board as they are written and give responses based on the questions that have been asked. If you don't like the post or you're tired of seeing the same old post then don't respond. It's that simple. Save your comments for the phone with your buddies who care enough to listen to them.

We have to understand that many people everyday are new to the hobby or have just become MFCA members. Therefore, revisiting topics is actually a pretty healthy thing to do. However, revisiting them in this fashion is not so healthy. It is important that new members see the direction of the hobby, that they see the differences in the hobby and that they understand the history of the hobby so that they can make educated decisions on what is the best way for them to enjoy the game because ENJOYMENT of the game is why we all play it, regardless of style or weight limit. So please, lets stop using this forum as an arena to attack others by projecting our feelings towards others and styles of play through the content of which we write.

GEE... an F for Failure!?! Hmmm... can't follow instructions?!? Let me go back and read.

Darrian mentions 3.2 and other weight limits...
Wolf mentions 3.2...
Reggie mentions 3.2...
RJ mentions 3.2 as well...

I guess in YOUR EYES they somhow failed. I'm also sure in YOUR EYES I'm just as guilty for pointing out the fact. I only commented based on what I was reading. Though this particular thread may not have started out as a 3.2 vs. 4.0 conversation... (unlike Mike Turners unity post) it seems the thread always swings around to the same ole subject. Don't get ticked because a lot of us are tired of the constant bickering about the same ole same ole.

My advice to you is... Don't wait until a perceived enemy comes along for you to gear up and speak your mind. Start correcting your friends when you see them taking posts in directions that the thread wasn't meant to go in. It's obvious that it was happening in this thread, but it's funny that you didn't say squat until I came on board. I wasn't the ones who started the 3.2 debate or the ones trying to convince the world for us all to move to 4.0. All I did was confirm the fact that George Diamond was RIGHT in his assumption that this stuff happens about every 6 to 7 months. While your sitting here giving out grades, lets give ole George an A+ in math, because he sure got the darn equation right.

I'd also like to add to the Dre-ster... I wasn't the one who brought up the dead horse; I only commented about it. Yes I agreed with Geno, so sue me.

- Don